Carnivore fo lyfe! On another note, I am not nearly as starving as I figured I would be. I've eating half of the normal amount I normally do by this time. Drink a lot more water to try to keep my stomach full. I was going to have a Little Debbie snack but those SOBs have 270 calories in one serving!

A quick look over of one of my daily protein shakes 500 calories. Damn.

-Alex

Just got some new pre-workout today. Axiom - it was beast.

Yea thats a lot of calories for a protein shake. For a low cal high protein shake I really like Muscle Tech Nitro Tech. 30g of protein and only 140 cals! Milk Chocolate tastes pretty decent as well.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/mu...itro-tech.html

I tried a pre-workout mix before and I took the recommended serving size, it had my skin tingling. I don't remember what brand it was though. How long did the energy last for you?

I make mine with two scoops and two glasses of 2% milk, so yeah they get pretty up there in calories.

-Alex

Stop drinking pasturized store bought milk. Its horrible for you. Switch to almond milk. Its much better for you and less calories.

Just curious, why is it bad?

The cows are kept pregnant as much as possible so they will produce milk. They stay in one place in a stall being milked for weeks at a time. They are pumped full of antibiotics to fight off the infections they get and full of extra hormones to produce more milk. The milk is partially infected and PUSS, yes PUSS can be found in ALL store bought milk along with the antibiotics/hormones the cows were given and now being passed to you.

I used to be a big milk drinker. Loved the stuff. It's one of the unfortunate casualties I've discovered in my quest for nutrition knowledge.

Milk it one of the most disgusting things you can buy and put into your body.

So it's not that milk is bad for you it's that corporate america's milk is bad for you. I know the dairy industry has been pushing to put sweeteners into milk and not have to include them in the ingredients.

Correct. There are farms you can still find unpasteurized raw milk that hasn't been treated with hormones/antibiotics. Most people won't do that though because it's not as convenient as running to the grocery store.

That's part of the problem with our society now. We don't work for our food anymore, it's all at our finger tips with convenience eating on nearly every corner. I, like most people, didn't have a CLUE what is in that stuff. Once industry took over our food sources we were doomed to become a fat and sick society.

As far as these ideas that "red meat are bad for you" and the like... they are simply inconclusive. I know a fair amount of gym rats that get their blood tested to compete and their blood comes back in good condition, they are perfectly healthy and they have their regular physicals. People are blowing crap WAY out of purportion.

People were fat long before processed foods were invented. It's not like people were healthier, hell people live longer lives now.

-Alex

LOL..ok.

My friend, who competes in physique competitions indulges in a burger here and there and his physicals and blood tests always comes back spotless. He says the same about his friends that also compete. So clearly the people that built their careers on healthcare know less than people that watch a few youtube videos and think the sky is falling.

I have a DVD at home that I got as a promo item from GNC a while back with a lot of the widely recognized body builders interviewing. When asked "what types of foods should you eat" all of them agree that meat, even red meat are good for nutrition. But again, what can they know, it's their profession to be healthy. The Internet is smarter lol.

-Alex

I didn't know peta joined the fucking boards. Stop it veggie boy

Don't argue with Steve!! He's a vegetarian, they're all smarter than us lowly meat eaters

You're comparing a bodybuilder who highly more active than most people spending hours in a gym every week who by your own admission indulges on occasion to the general mass public. It's ridiculous. A bodybuilders diet is for people who body build tearing down a mass amount of muscle requiring more protein to rebuild the muscles. That type of diet does not apply to general public. If normal people ate the amount of heavy acidic protein that bodybuilders do they would be very sick and lethargic much like how the general masses are generally overweight from poor eating habits in excess and low levels of activity.

People who regularly consume meat, especially red meats have considerable more amount of acid in their systems in order to break that meat down in their systems. Now does that mean you can't eat meat at all? Of course not, it's just a personal choice of mine. You can eat almost anything within moderation but that doesn't mean it's good for you. I like eating meat just as you do, but the proof is in my results with great weight reduction, lowering blood pressure and chloresterol levels.

Being that highly acid greatly from eating large amounts of meat throws off PH balance in the body because it's very taxing on the digestive system. My information comes straight from a nutritionist, my doctor, reading books and my own blood test results.

As I said in reference to GTOPhil in another thread, you have to take what information you get online with a grain of salt and do your own due diligence with research. After than all you can do is put it to work to achieve your own results to see what works for you.