It all depends how the car runs this weekend to determine what power adder is going to be used. Yes the car was sitting at the shop for 2 months just to get a tune done. The same has badass builds and people say good things but IDK if it's just because we didn't bust out with $30k build.

Good call. Not worth the BS.

I think my car is prime example, just sayin.

I agree with you 100%

You have no idea what I've been hearing about lately. The guy that bought my old car, went back to them against my advise. He is now looking for a new shop, to fix it. I will tell you in person why.

Boy that has never happened at the shop you are now going to. Oh that's right it has, so I wouldn't get to cocky yet. Just saying. That's why these threads are so funny to me. Every shop has these threads about them, every shop.

Lmao, aint that the damndest truth! Eight motors, dozen transmissions/clutches, crank ripped off the front of the block, melted pistons, hot wires, fuel leak, parts falling off the car in the parking lot with no one standing around it and much more , car damaged/scratched up, janky roll cage install and that was all to ONE customer. Hahaha

Well lets compare the two shop tuning since thats all HPP has done:

TS: I've paid for probably 23hrs of tuning mostly NA to get the car running right and to try to make the most power. It made 525 rwhp and 412 rwtq, 29 degrees of timing, running lean, it never idle right, it surged, every time I came to a stop the engine would die, and pretty much every one saw what happen on the dyno when they try to tune for nitrous.

HPP: Paid for 2hrs of tuning, made 544 rwhp, 442rwtq, 23 degrees of timing, A/F ratio perfect, it idle a whole lot better, it doesn't die when I come to any stops. And manny is making the drivibilty perfect and its not costing me a dime. Thats customer service, hes actually driving it around to get the drivbility perfect where TS never really did that. They would give me the car and they said let them know whats wrong and Sean would make the adjustment.

So you tell me if my car isn't perfect example. Oh yea forgot to mention my car has bad piston slap especially when its cold. And I know every shop has their problem cars and done shitty work. But I'm just talking about my car not others. But so far HPP has always impress me with the tuning and the work they've done on my car. I should had paid them the money they quoted to do my build instead of trying to save money and go with TS. Which in the long run it cost me a whole lot more money.


EDIT: I just looked at all the invoices and I paid for 18hrs of tuning.

Manny at hpp. Period end of story

Not even close.

Yea tuned my car in less than a hour and made crazy power for what I have

I know exactly what he did, but he ain't all that. Trust me. Seems to be hit or miss on who gets a good job done, and who doesn't. He installed a grab bag of new and used parts on my car, including injectors designed to be used with a return style system and a used BAP that had been modified to run wide open all the time, and then wondered why he couldn't smooth the tune out. If you take him a car that is completely setup the way it should be, from the start, then he can tune it, for sure. If his shop does a half assed job with used parts, then not so much. My car did run like a raped ape at the track though, just couldn't drive it to or from the track.

And you're lucky you did the installation yourself. If you would have been there when Frank, Jonathan and I took the KB off the car, you would have been amazed at the hack job they did on the install. I'm surprised it didn't short out the electrical system.

This post was about tuning that's why I answered it the way I did

HPP's crappy tune car ran 8.20s
PMP's tune car ran 7.70s


We didn't have a good experience with Manny and HPP it was horrible. But yeah if others are happy with what they have thats great I guess you need to be in some type of club or be in the illuminati or something to be treated good. Oh well.

The bottom line is, and always has been, for every person pissed off at one shop there is another who swears by it.

Yet another reason why my hot rods now are all over 40 years old. No one wrenches on these cars but me. If something goes wrong, I know exactly who to blame.

Age of car doesn't really have anything. You can still do your own shit on a new car

It took me 2 yrs to finally tune my car... But when I did I took it straight to Manny. Why? Because I watched him tune numerous cars before mine and they all ran excellent. I can't speak for engine builds but Manny is the man when it comes to pure tuning. Also the car is tuned exactly how I want it! To my exact specifications.

This.

I'll take that bet. We both start from scratch, you do your GT in its current form, I'll do my Scamp in its current form, and we race when we're done. You have 1 hour to do your best. Or worst. As the case may be.

You get a pass since you've obviously taken the time to learn the in's and out's of a modern cars spark and fuel tables.

I'd have to say why not start with both of them in 100% stock form? Then how long does it take you to do the work just to catch up with the newer car which is still in its stock form?

It's just air, fuel, and spark. Old or new. I've still got boxes of Holley jets and gaskets around here somewhere. I think the thing is the new stuff is viewed as some kind of black magic by many, and that just isn't the case. I see it as easier, I can sure make a calibration change and reflash quicker than I ever could tear the bowls off the carb and put them back, then get a timing light out and change the base timing, let alone changing the weights/springs for the mechanical advance. Plus I'm more likely to actually make the right change due to having data instead of guessing what the older car wants.

Now, would I rather put headers on your A body than put them on an S197? Hell yes. But by the same token I'd rather put them on an S197 than a 68-70 428CJ car. Would I rather put an oil pump on a big block Mopar than about anything else in the world, yes. We can play that kind of game all day.

We could start both stock, no issues. I've been doing these things long enough to have it 98% correct as soon as I finish bolting the carb on. Won't need a jet change, just a little smoothing out.

I agree on the black magic part though. I tuned two of my old 3V cars, once with Sniper software and the last one with the SCT Racer pack or whatever it used to be called. It's still a matter or learning what the car likes, what this change affects over there, and how it all works together. The difference is, you will not do a great job your first time out. There is a reasonably steep learning curve. While in the other pit, there is a very reasonable chance that I can bolt that carb on right out of the box and the car will run pretty good. Two or three quick turns of a screwdriver, a twist of the distributor, and I'm good to go.

So Noah is doing tuning now? Or is he working with someone else?

LOL, I'm so glad I don't have to deal with these Ford problems anymore...

Found Online Raging Drama?

lmao, the GM community bitches about tuners as much as the ford guys do.

And now they just bitch about recalls.

:)

They bitch about who is faster. Not about which tuner blows more shit up than Al Qaueda..

I have yet to see a recall on the V. :favorites37:



Honestly, all this arguing and bitching is pointless. Once you get in this hobby and start modding your car, it should come as no surprise when shit breaks. It's part of the risk you take modding a car from factory specs. It's the same with people who bitch and complain about getting tickets when building a high horsepower car. Getting tickets comes with the territory.

Ford, Chevy, foreign or domestic, it all really doesn't matter. When you build a car to be used beyond what it was designed for, shit is going to happen. So choose whatever car you like, build it to suit your tastes and how you are going to use it, and just enjoy it. Bickering over semantics is a waste of energy and time.

Wise ol' Grandpa and his infinite wisdom

But Steve was all about the shop that blew the most cars up...

And like all the other ol grandpa's of infinite wisdom, everyone let's him babble on acting like they're paying attention until he forgets what he was saying and falls asleep.

Your young so I'm trying to let some of this slide but your making it very hard to. You were nut hugging true street for years and they never did anything wrong to your car. Now your nut hugging HPP, which is fine but let's not try to distort or make up facts. To say true street has blown up more cars than any other shop in town is laughable. I won't bring up names or experience but when you don't know what your talking about you might want to keep your mouth shut. So you had a couple friends that have had bad experiences there, who gives a shit. I could go on for hours about the shit I know about some of the shops in town and what they have done to people cars. Every shop has had or had theses problems.

I can name shops that don't even tune their own cars, they use internet tuners to tune them. I can tell you that one of the people in this thread doesn't realize his car was tuned by somebody he is bashing because the shop couldn't tune his car, then the shop couldn't afford to pay the tuner once he was done. I don't say the things I know because well it's not my place and frankly I don't care. People are going to take their cars where they want and if you can't accept that or think you need to add your .02 in about a shop your in the wrong business.

If I saw the site owner running his mouth about shops I would yank my fucking add in a heart beat, but that's just me.

Go back and search my posts and reread what I said. I've always said, I have no issue with anyone stating their issues with ANY shop that they have had first hand. My problem is with all the people who were just running their mouths from second/third hand information that had nothing to do with them, or their cars. My issue was with the people who were personally slandering Clint when they don't know the guy, or ever dealt with him, but rather getting their information from someone else who wasn't telling the complete truth about their car and what happened because they were embarrassed or didn't completely understand the ramifications of beating on a car before it was ready.

Has TS made mistakes? Absolutely. ALL shops do, because they are run by humans who make mistakes. If you stay at HPP long enough, the same things will happen there too. Why? Because it's just part of the hobby. Shit breaks and people screw up.

You're young, I've already gone down that path you are now learning the hobby, the shop shuffle, blah blah blah. In time you will see, it's just how the hobby goes if you stay in it long enough. Eventually, you'll also figure out something about accountibilty, that at the end of the day you really only have yourself to blame for shit going wrong with your car because you made the decision to modify it.

The one rule that has ALWAYS stood true about this hobby - Cheap, fast, reliable - choose two.

Yep. Agreed.

The performance shops industry is a SHITTY business to get into in the first place. I knew Clint WAY before he ever got into it when he was still working in the mortgage business. I told him then, don't do it. Not because I didn't think he couldn't make it work, but rather because its a shitty business model full of stress.

It's a business based on building powerful cars for people you know for 100% certain are going to go out and beat the snot out of it. Most customers don't have a fucking clue about their cars which is why they are willing to take the car to a shop, write a check to have some guys they don't know build their car for them. When shit goes wrong -its the shops fault, never the guy behind the wheel beating the fuck out of a car who is suppose to be giving the car "break-in" miles rather than standing the car on the rev-limiter all night long.

Stick around the scene long enough and you will see the main guys (owners) of the shops tend to stay the same, but the shop mechanics are constantly changing and they eventually make it to every shop around town. A lot of these shop mechanics aren't professionally educated, certified type mechanics, but rather guys just like us who have been around awhile turning wrenches, the difference is they are willing to do the work for pay.



At the end of all of this, the only thing that has come from it all is causing bad blood between people over trivial shit and now DFW50s has a less than stellar reputation. All the shops in question are still in business, still thriving and life will go on. So all of this BS has been and will be for nothing.

And like most kids, in time you will through experience learn the hard way rather than listening to those who have already done it before you. In time, you will see that I'm right. ;)

Give it time. The way GM has been lately, they will discover about 5 recalls in the next few years for your car, since that seems to be their trend. lol

I don't doubt it in the slightest. Oh well, if it blows up...it blows up. Haha.

Lol, I go onto Chevy's website and check for recalls about once a year. I never have recalls on my trucks but my mom has had 3 on her Traverse in the last two years.

Or maybe the shop just can't tune big builds coyote. 1 out of 4 isn't a good stat.

I wouldnt talk when you don't know shit about peoples build Donnie, pretty sure I know more than you about that stuff. I promoted them until they started fucking my friends over.

You wanna race that og 5.0 of yours? Or just talk a lot

Dayum someone got CALLED OUT!!!!!