Look into the Callie's comp star line. Those parts will more then suffice for your build.

That's better, damn those other were insane. I will say I like the dragonslayer crank as well by Callie. It's only about 500 more not 1100 more like the other cranks.

Yeah the dragon slayer stuff is badass, but over kill for your setup. The compstar stuff will easily hold 1k more then you will ever need. Will need to get them to grind the rod journals to a 2.100 but that is no issue. Stop by the shop one day and we can talk a little more in detail about this and get you setup with the correct parts.

I will do that. I need to get a path started so that way when my motor lets go I will a have everything ready to build.

Damn being iced in sucks. I keep Internet shopping and it's killing me. So what are the opinions on head and intake setup for a short stroke 347. My current setup has Edelbrock Performer 170 heads and a Edelbrock performer intake with an e303 cam. I know the cam will go to something more custom but what heads and intake would be better. Or are these good enough for the time being?

I would go with a custom grind cam from Ed Curtis, a set of afr 205 renegade heads, and victor jr single plane with spyder upper intake setup. Something like what I had on my car would be great.

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I was just looking at a super Vic intake and they aren't bad in price. I was a little shocked they weren't more. As for heads I have been looking at sets like that. Just wasn't sure on how big I needed to go for that.

A cylinder head that flows 240+ at .400 lift and 300+ at .600 should suffice. The intake setup is usually about the same price as any other intake setup. Keep in mind you will also need a fuel system, rails, pumps, lines etc.

I know it's going to be a lot of stuff. I'm part dreaming and part shopping. Eventually I will build it all out. More or less I'm trying to plan a path and then start buying. If I can start getting motor components and fuel system components here and there it doesn't hurt your pocket book as bad. Hell I've been so bored I've been shopping turbo kits lately, but the only thing that will change in the setup for that will be cam choice. Everything else will be the same. I know the novi 2000 that's on it will make all the power I want but I just can't help looking at turbos.

Depending on the motor build you choose if you spin the begeezus out of that 2000 headunit you could probably make 700rw or so with it. That would be a fun vert. Strokd's vert is a hell of alot of fun.

The motor Toby recommends is basically what is in the 90... short stroke 347 with a tad more bore since the block is aluminum. it is a lot of fun, but to be honest, a 408 is a lot more fun, esp for a heavy car.

I'm not interested in spinning the hell out of the blower. That blower isn't small. It's the equivalent of a d1 in Procharger or a t trim in vortec. So it will move some air.

A 408 would be fun but I think it will be over kill for what I want. I never want 1000hp, I don't race often and when I do it's against Steve for shits and giggles.

The other thing is I don't want to do to the vert what I did to my 01gt. I don't want to make it where it isn't fun to drive. By that I don't want to have to worry every time I take it out something might break. That car was more fun at 450 than it ever was at 625, but I think that had a lot to do with my combo, blower selection and builder.

I completely agree with that. Big HP cars aren't worth the hassle and headache unless you have the funds to replace things all the time and/or have multiple toys to play with for when one is broken.

That's also what's killing me. My car is fun as it is but I damn well know its a ticking time bomb, you have to love old ford 302s. So that's why I want to start getting parts. My theory is if I make the motor more efficient with more cubic inches, better heads, cam and intake I won't have to turn the blower up to make more power. If I can keep the boost about the same and make everything else better I will still pick up some ponies and be safe.

Donnie, someone lied to you. A novi 2k is almost as good as an old S trim V1... the d1 and t trim are much better.

A 408 will move more air all the time and have less lag. You already have the hood for clearance, if you are replacing shit anyway, all you need is an ac bracket and different headers. My dad spent a lot of money regretting not getting a stroker windsor... he wanted a fun reliable build like you do too, i told him at least 50 times to build a 351 block, but he knew best. now he has a heavy slow ass car with an expensive motor, where it could have been fucken fast for 100 bucks more for the bigger block.

This is a combo I saw on the corral. This looks like it could be fun. I'll sell off my blower if I go this route.


Dart IE built by Rick Hawver of RNH performance
9.3:1
AFR 205's
Shaft rockers
Super Vic intake with a 6061 elbow
120 injectors
E85
76 GTSHP turbo (3" downpipe and journal bearings)
Precision A/A intercooler (the 825hp one)
Viper T56
Kurgan tuned Big Stuff3

Made 954 a@26psi but dialed the boost down to 23ish

lmao...

I know, I know. I did forget to attach the fact that combo is on a 363 not a 408. I'm also bored out of my fucking mind so I keep looking up shit. I'm just thinking a combo like that with less boost will put me where I want to be and if I ever wanted to turn it up I could.

If that was a 408 with bigger heads, itd be that power on like 17 psi.

I plan to make that on race gas at about 12, but im turning big rpm and have 2 turbos similar in size.

Trust me I know where your coming from but I have no desire to try and compete with guys running 1000hp. That's not what I'm into. Once upon a time I would have spent money to try and get there but I just want a certain power level and I will be fine. I know the 408 will make it easier but I would have to change to much stuff that I don't want to have to change.

I plan to make a plan to build both and see where I end up price wise. Since huge horsepower isn't my end goal it will most likely come down to price. If the 408 is within a certain amount of the 347 then I will start purchasing parts for it but if it is a lot more then I will stick with the 347, make my 650 to 700 hp and be happy.

It depends on what you plan to replace anyway. If you are changing the intake and headers, parts are same price for either motor... if all you need is a gd ac bracket, ill buy a new one and give you my old one. The biggest deal is the hood which you already have... if you dont want huge power, you can get a sportsman 9.5 deck block like i had for cheaper than a dart or boss block for a baby motor... the sportsman block will support 800 rw with no problems, 1000 rw with billet main caps.

I know you arent trying to make big power, but the 408 just makes more sense. If I could afford another build Id sell you my 351 shortstroke and go to a 427 in a heartbeat...

So I've been reading a bunch today about the 351 swap and there isn't as many different parts as I thought. My water pump, timing cover and other misc parts are still good. I would definitely need bigger heads and a different intake but I was already looking at that. I thought I was going to have to change my kmember but I don't so that makes a huge difference in what I can do.

Correct. You will need a new distributor and ac bracket, but heads, intake, headers etc you were upgrading anyway... nows the time to do it! That blower u have at 10 psi and pump should make 600 rw and have a ton of torque... dont know how much boost it will push but it will be easier to make good smooth power, and u can run a smaller cam so that makes it more driver friendly, and then u can run taller gears for better mpg too if u wanted...

I actually have an msd distributor sitting on my shelf in the garage for a 351w. I have a vic jr intake but it is for a carb motor not efi, so I will sell that to get some money for they new intake. Hell I still have a 750 double pumper sitting on my shelf from one of my old 351w.

If u go spyder style intake, u can use the one you have and have it converted. They drill holes and add the injector bungs and fuel rails attach to the bungs. This is how they are all done.

I wonder who could convert that intake for me and what it would cost? I know a new one is around $450. I was looking at the spyder style intakes vs the one I have for my new build anyways.

I have a spyder upper elbow and an accufab 90mm race tb I will sell you if interested...

Oh and to swap from a 8.2 deck to a 9.5 all you will need is an ac bracket, headers, distributor, and oil pan. other then basic engine parts, ie intake manifold, etc your timing cover can be reused, engine mounts, trans, clutch setup. I am not sure about the brackets on that novi setup though. If it is not bolted ONLY to the cylinder head the you may need different brackets to make that work.. realistically the only things you will need to buy are the ac bracket and dizzy. Everything else you are planning to buy anyways so cost is the same.

Pm me a price on that. It should work with either combo I go with.