I think fast is relative to what you are talking about. I know most people on here are for drag racing, but you could take most of these cars with their suspension setups and run on a road course or even autox and they would be fast and fun as hell. In the OP's case if he just daily drives his, the higher tq numbers would be fun for just day to day use.

There is nothing high and mighty about saying that, I don't know how you are coming to that conclusion. Yes, compared to the general public driving Prius's and Camry's, yes the Mustang is fast. But when referring to the hobby and being competitive to other makes and models that go to meets and events, Mustangs are not typically among the faster group of cars.

Fast is relative to what you are used to. If someone has never had a 500rw car, or been in a 700rw+ car, then yeah, it's fast for them. But it doesn't mean 700rw+ is competitive in the local scene, because it's not, not even close.

I know of a certain 780rw Cobra that was recruited to be a camera car for a couple of "C teamers" to film the race. The Cobra was up ahead by 7 or 8 car lengths, he took off on the hit ahead of them and got passed before he knew it and got a football field put on him.

Now normally, a 780rw Cobra would be fast as fuck for most people, but among the "fast" crowd it's not even quick enough to be a camera car. This was a few years ago and now street cars have gotten even faster. No one even blinks anymore when they hear 1000rw+.

Hell, Clint had his TT Cobra that made like 1043rw and that was years ago already and the races were tight then. Now, 1000rw makes you only a C teamer at best. To be on the "mountain" or the "A team" you're talking 1500rw+.

Now if you're just looking to have a fun street car with no expectations of going out to be competitive, then 600-700rw is plenty for a street car to have fun with.

So....Car 1 now makes 412tq at 6000rpm and 525hp at 7000rpm

Car 2 now makes 616tq at 4400rpm and 576hp at 5200rpmn

Who wins now (taking for granted both cars have good tires)? :)

Ok and most of these "fast" cars are good for one thing. Roll racing. Most are not even set up to do anything more than 60-150 the fastest which to me is retarded. I guess most of the people have not seen what happens when cars crash going that fast on a public road and it's the cop in me coming out but it is just plain stupid. There is a professional league for drag, road course, hell even cars that drive sideways but not one for the cars that are only fast from a roll. You ever wonder why that is? If your car is making 1k hp but you run 11s at the track because you can't get traction till 100+mph then there is no point but to be the fastest speeder on the hwy. If you like going fast in a straight line cool, but be fast from all speeds not just a roll race. Like it was said it's all opinion I guess it just sounds like your trying to sound like your better than everyone because nothing is fast unless you make more hp than is 99.9% of all cars on the road.

Here is an example of what I'm talking about. Keep in mind this is FOUR years ago and cars have gotten much faster.

Clint's blue Cobra makes an appearance around the 2 minute mark. The Supra that record the race was no joke either.

Some one say C team?

who was foof video taping racing?:)

Not available on mobile and I'm in San Antonio so no computer. Let me guess a bunch of 1k hp cars roll racing? See above post

First, I don't see how you are saying I'm better than anyone, I'm not. I didn't say that. I said my car was slow, that is MY opinion. I've been exposed to a lot of these fast cars and driving/riding in several of them. I like all kinds of racing, not just drag racing or turns, going fast in a high powered roll car is a BLAST and like nothing you've ever experienced, I can promise you that.

There are many roll racing events now and more catching on like wildfire every year. Like the Texas Mile, or Texas Invitational, or long canyon type racing like the Silver State Classic...all LEGAL events.

As far as useless at the track -not true at all. Will's Supra will pull over 230mph and runs well into the 8's and he's still rowing gears. Put an auto in it and its easy 7's all day.

Back in the day, maybe the 11's @ 140mph might have been somewhat true, but that's not the case anymore with tech and parts available.

u are used to driving a police car... 400 hp in a near 4000 lb weight is slow man.

Its what you get used to.

But at least he has the cool lights and shit where he can run all the lights!

I think it was Kelly and Alex... Foof was making 500 something then, how do I know, cause we ran the same night and I held him off in my Cobra cause he had Jared in his car slowing him down... if he was making 700 anything back then he would have disappeared.

Steve has a good point though, everything else he posted was truth except C teamers making 1000 rw... C is more like 500-800ish. depending on weight of car.

You are both missing the point. You comment on every thread that unless it has some retarded amount of power it is slow. That makes you sound cocky. I know my patrol car is slow in a straight line but the majority of us can drive better on the street with traffic and turns because we are trained to do so, that's why you see cars with a lot more power having a hard time avoiding the police unless it's a bike or on a long stretch of hwy. I agree it's what your used to but to tell every one else their car is not fast because it only makes 600hp is retarded

hell yea!

My Vette felt slow to me, and it was as fast as my hatch on it's best day to 145-150ish...

That night it was Kelly and CammedC6 if I recalling correctly. It was Kelly and a blown Vette for sure.

Different night. That was funny though, I thought he was going to push Jared out the window. lol.

Ok, well it's just a difference in opinion. I don't see how that makes me cocky, but okay. I don't get why some are so sensitive to this subject. My car is slow, I'm not hurt by it. It is what is. Even with boost making 600rw, you will never hear me say the car is fast, because it wont be compared to what else is out there to competitive with. That's just being realistic, not cocky. I don't see how I can be cocky on the losing side of the equation. Now, if I had a 1000rw car and came in here telling everyone they were slow, that would be completely different and very cocky.

I think Fast is relative.. IMO compared to 99% of the populace running around in 150 hp civics.. a 400 hp mustang is a monster..

but when you are in a group where 1000 hp barely makes the cut it's slow..

Ultimatly.. 200 hp.. or 1000 hp.. As long as you are happy with your car does it really matter what anyone else thinks?

Exactly!

cammed c6 never had a blower to my knowledge... and im not even sure he was fast 4 years ago...

My Father in Law is a retired Beaumont police officer who was an instructor at the Houston Persuit driving school..
The patrol cars are setup to stay close to people in traffic and around bussy streets. That being said the average idiot running from the cops is in a 98 civic or 95 caprice, so it's a lot easier to keep up..

IMO a 1000 hp Car would not be able to evade in a situation where heavy traffic was involved or doing stupid shit through a neighbor hood. it doesn't matter how much HP you have if you cant go anywhere..

that being said.. I don't think anyone here Evades police.. :)

which Kelly? Hollywood? he hasn't street raced in a decade lol.. and cammed C6 has never raced with more than 530 rwhp on the street as far as I know..

Ive never, I just hit 88 mph and disappear in time.:happy3:

Drew was making ALMOST 600 when he brought out the 427 setup... it was pretty damn fast, he put like 6+ on Chris's 09 Viper...

aaah cool.. didnt know he ran anyone at that setup

I dunno, it's all beginning to blur together now. I think it's been longer than that now. Jeremy has been in law school the last 3 1/2 and his car was making more than 700 for awhile before that. We are getting old. lol.

There is no need to anymore. There is many, many roll racing/half mile/mile events near round all over the place. Roll racing isn't just for the highway anymore. It's just as legit as racing in a parking lot avoiding cones, drag racing and drifting. It's all motorsports!

I could be wrong, but I know it wasn't that goofball Alex. lol.

To tell you how long it's been, Donkey's car was running! hahaha.

I could not agree more!! It seems that if you dont make a billion hp and do nothing but roll race, your car is considered slow and everyone sticks their nose in the air at you.

im pretty sure that was NOT cammed C6..

That is complete nonsense. I don't have a fast car and I know most of those guys and the majority of them are good people.

Amen feld! A+ post!

I consider 11's a fast fun street car.

Well put!

Yes exactly!

Where we are from 11's is a monster lol. 10's a god!! If I get beat after I finish my mods I'm not going to try and make it faster. Once I hit 500-550 on the juice I'm done.

That's what they all say. Then it's 600, then 700 and your like fuck it let's do 1000.

So true. You get used to the power over time where no matter what it makes it starts to feel slower after awhile. By the time I sold my Cobra, it felt like a go-kart like I could just throw it around like a stock car.

And usually I would agree. I watched that link that was posted about a guy in a supra that kept chasing #'s and how he stated the car got less and less fun because it was broke all the time. I just feel like 500-550 is that happy medium for the tranny and motor. Plus I like drivin my turd.

Now that I will certainly agree with! A broken car is a no fun car. I'll be happy with my "slow" car because it seems like all the high HP cars are broken most of the time, or the guys are afraid to drive them hard because they break a lot of stuff and that doesn't seem fun at all. But man, when they are going fast it's fun as hell! I'll just enjoy it vicariously through my friends and enjoy my slow car running every time I want to drive it. lol.

It really is the truth. I love watching them but they do break. ALOT. I think the coyote would be happy at about 550. The rousch charger delivers just about that number. In the end it seems to be chasing your tail. You get beat you make your car faster then beat him. Then another car beats you and there you go again. it's true though you get used to power. Sometimes I drive mine and think something has broke just because it doesn't feel as quick.

God I wish I was cool and knew as much as all the old fucks!!!!!

Whats best way to get torque number numbers up on boss intake. My car made 440rwhp and 378tq on sae numbers. Id like more torque

As far as the conversation about torque, these cars do make more torque than most Ferraris. I wouldn't worry about torque so much as horsepower.

Anyone checked out this manifold? Claims to not lose any torque as the BOSS intake does. http://www.lethalperformance.com/201...-manifold.html

-Alex