Derek, I used fords IDS and while I drove thelandshark monitored and recorded my a/f (my performance tune) at idle was 14.2-14.3 under wide open throttle it was 12.29 so I'm running rich on top end.. better rich than lean I always say :D

Can you check timing with that as well?

I know the IDS can watch timing...

I think you are WAY over thinking one race with another car

but...bu.. its a bama tune.?

Aahh haha, I know riggggght?

Fudge it.

Hey are you on the fb page?

nope.

No fun..

Lol why is that?

Way.

Don't read too much into it. And don't waste your time on an intake that doesn't require a tune; they usually slow a car down because while not letting more air in than stock, they do get heat soak. Get a good intake, do some datalogging, go to the track. That's the only way to quantify your gains and see how driving technique affects your times.

Fuck it. I'm just going to stop saying anything anymore.

I know that I'm going more in-depth than is really necessary, but sorry for asking for insight and opinions for other people.

Just do what u think is best man steeda makes awesome power off there intakes jlts are good to k&n won't give u max power out of it cause of the bottle neck

No butt-hurt.

I'm just fucking tired of getting ragged on for applying actual logic to a situation.

Logic is the basis of my thought process. That is how I think of a situation and develop a theory and/or conclusion. I'm not just saying shit out of my ass with no idea of what I'm even talking about.

Yeah, I get I lack the actual racing experience that would prove otherwise. Oh well. When I get proven wrong, I will accept I was wrong.

Sometunes are better somecars come from the factory faster. Maybe he is a better driver.

I will admit I was naive when it came to intakes about these cars. I let the fact the K&N was a closed box outweigh the true reason I was purchasing a CAI. I should've put that aside and been more focused on the power I wanted to gain rather than keeping a stock appearance.

No offense to Jay, but I think we are both equal in driving ability. The first race of the video shows that we were neck and neck until I was locked out of 5th gear. There were other races that showed the same.

I really think that my tune is not as strong up top as it should be, hence why he was pulling away at the higher RPMs, and also why he was able to catch and pass me at higher RPMs as well.

Always research. I spokw with people on here and googled for near a month before I bought a intake.
How long have you been driving a quick car?

I did research. But like I said, I let myself put too much stock into getting a closed element CAI over an open element, even though almost all the open element intake were the ones to make the most power. I always bought my CAI before I got a tune, so I wanted run I could run without a tune but (in my mind) would be on par after a tune with others. I know recognize that isn't true.

I've been driving my car just over a year now, bought it last July.

Before that I had an auto F150, but I've known how to drive a stick for many many years.

Thats the difference though, some people on here have drove performance cars for years if not decades. Sounds like you were wanting a intake really bad but did not have the money for both. I went through that but ended up just saving.

Logic and reason are great in a discussion when you have all the facts and expierence otherwise its just conjecture based on ignorance. You need seat time D and first hand expierence with your car. No two cars alike. You can have the same exact mods, tune and same driver making passes and get different results more times than not because they are two different cars regardless if they are the same make/model.

Steves on fire today.

I'm not denying I don't have the years of experience that other hear have. I also understand no two cars are exactly alike, but they also will not very drastically from each other either. You can't deny that point.

I'm not being ignorant either. Just don't get why I can't have an opinion of my own based on the information I have at my disposal, and get slammed for said opinion. It's an opinion. Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one, and they will not always be the same as another. Just ignore it and move on. When I finally get enough experience under my belt, I'm sure I will have a change of mind. Until then, this is me.

You have lots to learn.

So you are saying that two cars can be completely and totally different from each other? Eliminating driver error, on two completely stock cars and one would be an absolute turd compared to the other?

Thats exactly what im saying. The fact you have never heard of a "built on monday" or "built on Wednesday" car tells me you need to learn.

I think a lot of it is ur tune and jay has been around street racing since he was a kid his dad use to take him out everytime he went so jay learned a lot from his old man geting locked out of gears and a weak tune was more than likely the problem

Race me and lets test that gear theory.

Derek what rx7 is saying is true. I'm sure you've heard the term "factory freak" meaning even though you have two cars alike doesn't mean they'll perform the same way. One car may dyno 375 HP then other 355 HP. Therefore one being a little faster or putting down very good power. As far as driving goes there was no doubt Derek could drive his car. His shifts were quick and clean. As the first run shows we were neck and neck, other runs as I noticed at the top of each gear I pulled, I hit 5th every run but let off seconds into it. Never ran it out. As far as our two cars they are indeed same mod and same setup.. (not exactly but you know what I mean) so should be within reason of each other. Again your upper rpms were no doubt where your car was falling I'd datalog and go from there. Wouldn't quiet start jumping the gun and pointing fingers. Again, great runs. And we will run them again soon

Bullshit. Bama tunes are crap ask anyone.:killer:

Like I said, datalog your car Derek lol. And rx7 I'll be using bama until I'm fully bolted.

I will as well, till I get the juice on my car.

All of y'all are slow :D

says the guy that put a fender on a intake, xpipe, bama tuned 5.0.:lol2:

Says the guy that just trolls and never comes to anything

I have heard that term. But I honestly don't believe that it can be an absolute night and day difference like you are insinuating. I can see how one would be slightly faster or quicker than another. But not as drastic as one may think. That's just me though.

I am starting to agree with you.

I would take you up on that, but to travel up there or you travel down here I don't think is fair, unless we met halfway or did it when one of us happened to be in the area.

I apologize if it seemed like I was pointing fingers. I'm not trying to take anything from you. We were definitely about equivalent in driving, from what I could tell. Only way to know would be internal cameras in the cars. Haha

I need to get my laptop com fixed first before I can datalog. It currently doesn't charge the battery, or recognize AC power, and the battery has like 5% battery left, which isn't enough time to run a datalog.

Truth is not trolling. I do come out just not to Coit and 190. Im usually at the tuesday meet in Denton.

Cool story. How about you run your car?