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Grandpa 09-26-2013 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyD (Post 51444)
You act like I don't know this, and I've never heard of the 275 class. Lord. Unless you have the resources and want to install a fully track capable suspension on the car, slicks are the easier route to go. Jeff wants his car to be both street and strip, street majority. Using slicks at the track would eliminate a lot of the suspension hassle from the equation to give him a quick, effective solution to hooking at the track. His car is not a purpose built race car that he wants to run 8s in every weekend. Therefore doing a full suspension for him outside of shocks/struts and springs would be a waste of money on his end.

There are many routes you can go for a "proper" setup.



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Originally Posted by DirtyD (Post 51445)
God, Steve, can you fucking read? I said I was speaking for stick cars, not 5.0s. I didn't choose the right word, but now you have gone into kill mode, so there is no hope for me.

Beefcake runs an auto.

All of those 275 guys run glides, which are basically autos. You know exactly why too.

Seriously, relax. You get wound up way too easy. You're wrong, doesn't mean you're an idiot. You're just inexperienced is all.

Doug 09-26-2013 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BLK2012GT (Post 51419)
Not using the nitrous at the track till I get some slicks. But I have used it on the road a few times but anything under 60 it just melts the tires.

Good to hear.

Grandpa 09-26-2013 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyD (Post 51447)
Obviously he needs to upgrade many things in order to make DRs work to his advantage, where as slicks take a lot out of the equation.

How so? Please explain.

Junkie 09-26-2013 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GunsUp (Post 51434)
All cars work better with slicks at the track...:console:

LMFAO. ^ this guy doesn't know shit.


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Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 51439)
And before you say it, to say it's "these" cars is nonsense. Beefcake runs the 275 class, on E85 making over 1000rw and runs great numbers.


BIG difference in auto vs manual with a radial boss.

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Originally Posted by BLK2012GT (Post 51440)
Those guys in the 275 class are driving manuals at that power level? I can probably cut 1.7-1.9 with better shocks and struts with DR but with slicks I can cut 1.3-1.5 which is a big difference.

I went a 1.6x on 18" radials with a manual last weekend, I fully expect to learn the clutch/tire combo and go a low 1.5x once ironed out. It can be done on radials with a stick, its just MUCH easier and safer for driveline parts with a slick. The wrinkle wall helps absorb a bunch of shock, it hits there instead of the driveline parts.

with that being said, if you can work a clutch well. You should be fine.

DirtyD 09-26-2013 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 51448)
Seriously, relax. You get wound up way too easy. You're wrong, doesn't mean you're an idiot. You're just inexperienced is all.

So I can't explain my reasoning for making the statement I made? I'm not wrong. I simply have a different opinion than you, so you think I'm wrong. DRs and slicks both work. But one is easier and more cost effective than the other to produce the goals that Jeff has for the car.

Still doesn't excuse your blatant miss of not reading the post before you posted, where I corrected my statement after a poor choice of wording.

JDBishopArts 09-26-2013 01:22 PM

20" DR's are the way to go.

STROKD 09-26-2013 01:23 PM

Slicks this, DRs that.

Bottom line is Jeff can't beat Will's Viper(stop, roll, track, street), spray or not, slicks or not.

There, continue the pointless benchracing.

DirtyD 09-26-2013 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 51450)
How so? Please explain.

You know why, and are just wanting to see if you can prove me wrong again.

No stress release in the tires put too much stress on the driveline. You'd need much stronger, and likely heavier spline axles to handle the torsional stress increase, not to mention stronger gearing, obviously a stronger DS as well as better connections between everything. having a much stronger clutch wouldn't hurt either.

Will even said pretty much what I did. Is he wrong too? Or since he has more experience than I do his version is correct, and I'm still wrong?

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Originally Posted by Junkie (Post 51451)
It can be done on radials with a stick, its just MUCH easier and safer for driveline parts with a slick. The wrinkle wall helps absorb a bunch of shock, it hits there instead of the driveline parts.


Junkie 09-26-2013 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by STROKD (Post 51454)
Slicks this, DRs that.

Bottom line is Jeff can't beat Will's Viper(stop, roll, track, street), spray or not, slicks or not.

There, continue the pointless benchracing.

There is zero reason why his car won't out run mine.

GunsUp 09-26-2013 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Junkie (Post 51456)
There is zero reason why his car won't out run mine.

I can think of 1

DirtyD 09-26-2013 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GunsUp (Post 51457)
I can think of 1

2 words. Starts with a D, ends with a d.

Junkie 09-26-2013 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GunsUp (Post 51457)
I can think of 1

Such as?

STROKD 09-26-2013 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Junkie (Post 51456)
There is zero reason why his car won't out run mine.

There are plenty, but I'm on a Mustang site and not going to get banned. We both know why.

If he dropped the car at Vic's house, it lost about 500 lbs AND Vic drove it on all it has, You might lose.

Bearded Banger 09-26-2013 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by STROKD (Post 51454)
Slicks this, DRs that.

Bottom line is Jeff can't beat Will's Viper(stop, roll, track, street), spray or not, slicks or not.

There, continue the pointless benchracing.

LoL

Junkie 09-26-2013 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by STROKD (Post 51460)
There are plenty, but I'm on a Mustang site and not going to get banned. We both know why.

If he dropped the car at Vic's house, it lost about 500 lbs AND Vic drove it on all it has, You might lose.

His car, at the current weight with the nitrous armed will out run my car.

Will HE do it? Who knows, but I'm willing to get beat. Hell, I run anyone honestly.

Grandpa 09-26-2013 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Junkie (Post 51451)
LMFAO. ^ this guy doesn't know shit.




BIG difference in auto vs manual with a radial boss.



I went a 1.6x on 18" radials with a manual last weekend, I fully expect to learn the clutch/tire combo and go a low 1.5x once ironed out. It can be done on radials with a stick, its just MUCH easier and safer for driveline parts with a slick. The wrinkle wall helps absorb a bunch of shock, it hits there instead of the driveline parts.

with that being said, if you can work a clutch well. You should be fine.

I agree, as seen my statement in Jeff's sig. A manual car shocks the tires much harder than auto car does and it does so a few times going down the track with each shift. But going fast can be done on a DR no differently than a slick can. It just takes a more dialed in suspension, a driver who knows how to put some heat into them and slip the clutch properly on the launch.

I agree again on the second part as well. The second part in bold is why it's done that way most times, cuz it's EASIER, rather than learning to drive the car, set the car up right using a big, softer compound slick with much more contact patch.

It's just clear by a lot of posts who has actual racing expierence going fast than 11's and who doesn't.

Bearded Banger 09-26-2013 01:36 PM

Would love to see it go down

GunsUp 09-26-2013 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Junkie (Post 51462)
His car, at the current weight with the nitrous armed will out run my car.

Will HE do it? Who knows, but I'm willing to get beat. Hell, I run anyone honestly.

He leaves on honk 1 just fyi:perkinswhatever:

Grandpa 09-26-2013 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyD (Post 51455)
You know why, and are just wanting to see if you can prove me wrong again.

No stress release in the tires put too much stress on the driveline. You'd need much stronger, and likely heavier spline axles to handle the torsional stress increase, not to mention stronger gearing, obviously a stronger DS as well as better connections between everything. having a much stronger clutch wouldn't hurt either.

Will even said pretty much what I did. Is he wrong too? Or since he has more experience than I do his version is correct, and I'm still wrong?

Seriously, calm down. You're too busy trying to argue being defensive rather than having a conversation. Go take a break and come back.

GunsUp 09-26-2013 01:41 PM

Chill Pills for everyone!

Doug 09-26-2013 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JDBishopArts (Post 51453)
20" DR's are the way to go.

Yeah, Josh's car does a good job of putting the power down. :)

Bearded Banger 09-26-2013 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GunsUp (Post 51468)
Chill Pills for everyone!

Could I have two please.

DirtyD 09-26-2013 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 51467)
Seriously, calm down. You're too busy trying to argue being defensive rather than having a conversation. Go take a break and come back.

Again, so I'm not allowed to explain myself? Wow, that's awesome. I'm simply explaining my reason. Didn't realize this site turned socialist and now you just have to accept when someone else tells you you're wrong even when you're not.

I'm having a perfect conversation with other people, but you nit pick at every little fucking thing. I know you like playing the roll of the big bad troll on here, but give it a rest sometimes. Conversation might go a little better if you did.

Bearded Banger 09-26-2013 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by doug (Post 51469)
yeah, josh's car does a good job of putting the power down. :)

11.9!

BLK2012GT 09-26-2013 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearded Banger (Post 51470)
Could I have two please.

Hey I didn't do shit this time. But it is a thread that started with me. Lol:perkinswhatever:

GunsUp 09-26-2013 01:48 PM

Ladies and gentleman the king is here

Grandpa 09-26-2013 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyD (Post 51471)
Again, so I'm not allowed to explain myself? Wow, that's awesome. I'm simply explaining my reason. Didn't realize this site turned socialist and now you just have to accept when someone else tells you you're wrong even when you're not.

I'm having a perfect conversation with other people, but you nit pick at every little fucking thing. I know you like playing the roll of the big bad troll on here, but give it a rest sometimes. Conversation might go a little better if you did.

I'm not trolling at all here. You're just having your usual kneejerk girly reaction. You've been poking and prodding at me the last week and I haven't said anything to it cuz you over react like a chick. I disagree wih you here and you got your panties all up in a twist...again. Fine, you explained your "miswording". Let it go.

So, again, when are we meeting up to race so I can see you in action?

Bearded Banger 09-26-2013 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BLK2012GT (Post 51473)
Hey I didn't do shit this time. But it is a thread that started with me. Lol:perkinswhatever:

Lol, gawd dammit Jeff!

Dark Pony 09-26-2013 01:56 PM

Another Jeff call out? Lord, this will never end.

Midnight11 09-26-2013 01:58 PM

So much bitch fest in here... Just run the cars or shut up.

DirtyD 09-26-2013 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 51475)
I'm not trolling at all here. You're just having your usual kneejerk girly reaction. You've been poking and prodding at me the last week and I haven't said anything to it cuz you over react like a chick. I disagree wih you here and you got your panties all up in a twist...again. Fine, you explained your "miswording". Let it go.

So, again, when are we meeting up to race so I can see you in action?

You stated I was wrong...when I wasn't. But you have yet to acknowledge that. I was done explaining the "miswording." You forget you asked me to explain why he needed to upgrade his driveline? Old age can do that to your memory I hear.

If I was having a girly reaction I would be summoning someone else to do all the talking. I'm handling my own business. You seem to think I'm going ballistic here on my side of the computer. I would be typing IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS SO YOU THINK I'M YELLING, if I was going ballistic. Emotion is kind of hard to convey through text. What you don't know if I'm perfectly composed. Come on over to Haltom City and find out.

As for the race, my dad is coming into town this weekend for a CHL class, and with Stephanie's birthday next weekend, doubt I'll be free. I should be up in that general area the weekend of the 14th if you want to go at it. I'm going to try and come out to Coit that Friday. I've had to seriously cut down on my driving however because finances have been running lower since my Vegas fun is coming around on the credit cards now...

Grandpa 09-26-2013 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyD (Post 51479)
As for the race, my dad is coming into town this weekend for a CHL class, and with Stephanie's birthday next weekend, doubt I'll be free. I should be up in that general area the weekend of the 14th if you want to go at it. I'm going to try and come out to Coit that Friday. I've had to seriously cut down on my driving however because finances have been running lower since my Vegas fun is coming around on the credit cards now...

:Violin:

BLK2012GT 09-26-2013 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Pony (Post 51477)
Another Jeff call out? Lord, this will never end.

I get more call outs now since I quit my shit talking. It's kinda funny. Lmao

Phuck Phace 09-26-2013 02:04 PM

Jeff you want a blower car? Buy mine.

GunsUp 09-26-2013 02:05 PM

It's too hot to race. I'll race when it get's cooler

It's too cold to race. My tires won't hook.

It's perfect to race. Let's go drink.

DirtyD 09-26-2013 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 51480)
:Violin:

Yup. Sucks. It was a badass weekend though, so I don't really regret it. Just wish I had a little better cash cushion before I went. Oh well, one of the trials and tribulation of being an adult.

BLK2012GT 09-26-2013 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Phuck Phace (Post 51482)
Jeff you want a blower car? Buy mine.

Nah I want a car built and tuned right. Lol















I'm just kidding Clint, Tim, and Toby. I just had to give David shit.

DirtyD 09-26-2013 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GunsUp (Post 51483)
It's too hot to race. I'll race when it get's cooler

It's too cold to race. My tires won't hook.

It's perfect to race. Let's go drink.

:lol:

Bearded Banger 09-26-2013 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Phuck Phace (Post 51482)
Jeff you want a blower car? Buy mine.

Buy it Jeff! He'll making you a smoking deal!

BLK2012GT 09-26-2013 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearded Banger (Post 51488)
Buy it Jeff! He'll making you a smoking deal!

Literally smoking deal?


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