Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 62080)

That's all fine and well, but it's only useful if it has 10 miles of road to get there. There are a number of cars running around the streets these days that will/do absolutely embarrass a Veyron in a mile or less.

Originally Posted by Dan12GT (Post 62092)

You are also talking about HEAVILY modified cars compared to a stock car as well. This stock car however built strictly for speed and stability. I would probably trust it too at 200+ over anything else.



Anywho, to get back on topic. This vette is SICK! However I'd never buy one if I could. For $100k+ I'd much rather seek out something either more exotic or build up something that is more of an underdog.

Originally Posted by DirtyD (Post 62096)

You can build a car comparable, if not exceeding the Veyron in every aspect for probably half the cost if you have the means and knowledge to do so.

Like I said, the Veyron is a status symbol more than it is a true enthusiast car. Now the Koenigsegg Agrea R is a completely different story.

Originally Posted by Dan12GT (Post 62097)

Very true, to be honest I don't know why we are even comparing $1million sports cars to $100k cars.

Originally Posted by Dan12GT (Post 62097)

Very true, to be honest I don't know why we are even comparing $1million sports cars to $100k cars. I simply made the statement that I would feel safer in one as apposed to some hawked up TT gallardo.

Originally Posted by DirtyD (Post 62100)

The Veyron is like driving a boat at 200 mph. :lol:

Originally Posted by DirtyD (Post 62096)

You can build a car comparable, if not exceeding the Veyron in every aspect for probably half the cost if you have the means and knowledge to do so.

Like I said, the Veyron is a status symbol more than it is a true enthusiast car. Now the Koenigsegg Agrea R is a completely different story.

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 62105)

Agreed 100%. Not to mention the Veyron cannot be driven full tilt very often. It will melt the tires due to it's aero and heavy weight, the clutches and turbos need to be replaced very often if it's not driven around like a grandma car.

As for a UGR TT Gallardo being a "hawked up" car, that is hilarious. If you have any clue what you are looking at and get a chance to get a close look at those full builds UGR does, they are modern works of art. They will out perform a Veyron in every manner and that's without a dozen oil coolers and intercoolers like the Veyron has. The Veyron is so inefficient as a mechanical thing it's ridiculous. Sure, it's a cool handmade car, but it's not the end all be all of big MPH cars. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

Originally Posted by Dan12GT (Post 62109)

Oh I agree 100% man. I was just saying you are comparing the UGR cars to a stock car, it SHOULD out perform any stock super car.

Funny too you mention the comment about melting the tires. I saw the Top Gear episode where they test the veyron top speed and the engineer mentioned something like the tires won't last anything longer than like 30 mins before they are shredded due to the down-force and speed of the car. Kinda crazy.

Originally Posted by Dan12GT (Post 62109)

Oh I agree 100% man. I was just saying you are comparing the UGR cars to a stock car, it SHOULD out perform any stock super car.

Funny too you mention the comment about melting the tires. I saw the Top Gear episode where they test the veyron top speed and the engineer mentioned something like the tires won't last anything longer than like 30 mins before they are shredded due to the down-force and speed of the car. Kinda crazy.

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto (Post 62101)

When did you drive a Veyron?

-Alex

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 62111)

They won't last NINE minutes. It's amusing that you are referring to a Veyron as a "stock" car too like it's a Kia or something. Haha.

It's a handmade built up supercar no different than any other hyper fast super car with the exception it's all built in one place. All the parts from the Veyron are shipped in from all over the world no differently than any other car.

Originally Posted by re-rx7 (Post 62112)

20 min at full speed. In other words they last 20 min at 268. Michelin makes the tire. 16k a set.

Originally Posted by Dan12GT (Post 62114)

Stock meaning the way it comes from the factory. I swear you LOOK to argue ANYTHING! Anybody would understand the term stock meaning how it comes when you buy it....

Originally Posted by Dan12GT (Post 62114)

Just re-watched the video ya, lol 15 minutes of tire life at that speed. Jebus!

Originally Posted by Dan12GT (Post 62114)

Stock meaning the way it comes from the factory. I swear you LOOK to argue ANYTHING! Anybody would understand the term stock meaning how it comes when you buy it....

Originally Posted by DirtyD (Post 62115)

You are still comparing two different "levels" of cars though. A stock Veyron is way above a stock Gallardo, etc. Hypercar to supercar. Now comparing the Veyron to the Aero, Agera R, Zonda R, etc. is more of an equal stock comparison.



That's traveling to Dallas and back in 15 minutes at that speed. Shit.

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 62119)

So by that logic, I could go buy a UGR TTG and it's stock. Gotcha.


Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are dumber than that.

Originally Posted by Dan12GT (Post 62122)

I agree, but my point is Steve is comparing UGR cars to Veyrons and calling it the same level of comparison and then tossing in the idea the Veyron is trash. Which I said isn't an equal comparison in a stock vs stock format because the UGR cars are "hyper cars" due to the aftermarket attention and money involved with them after the fact. Obviously a UGR car would blow the doors off a stock Veyon.

In retrospect the same can be said if you take a v6 mustang and dump endless amounts of money into it to make it faster than a GT. Obviously the "lessor" car with tons of money devoted to it will generally be the more powerful car (if that is the end goal; generally speed / performance is a factor of money involved).

All my original point was YES, the UGR cars should be faster and I would expect them to be. I was only stating that I personally would simply just trust the car that is designed to go 250+ from the factory (engineered for this very purpose).

Maybe the UGR cars DO control and handle just as well as the Veyron at that speed, I have no idea. I am simply doubting that. However I am basing my opinion off of what I generally would think to see from a car with 2000hp. It goes fast in a strait line, and gets pretty hard to control the faster you go. (simple logic there).





Unless UGR is some odd form or branch of Lamborghini like Roush is to Ford, UGR cars are not STOCK cars....


You can leave out the insulting people's intelligence part. I never personally attacked you. You just seriously make arguments where there are none to be had.

Originally Posted by Dan12GT (Post 62114)

Stock meaning the way it comes from the factory. I swear you LOOK to argue ANYTHING! Anybody would understand the term stock meaning how it comes when you buy it....

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto (Post 62127)

Bingo!

You should save your time and effort Dan, once he has an opinion formed, it somehow becomes fact no matter what. The rest of the forum knows what stock means. UGR is not a manufacturer, Roush is not a manufacturer, so on and so forth.

-Alex

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 62129)

You guys completely missed the point and ran off in another direction with it in hopes to make a point that didn't apply. lol

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto (Post 62131)

The original point of this thread was the 2015 ZO6. There are more pages about a Bugatti now. Which point doesn't apply lol?

-Alex

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 62126)

Please quote where I stated the Veyron was trash and quote where I personally "attacked" you. Why are you so defensive? It's a discussion. Any time I comment on something where I don't completely agree with your point its an "argument". Lay off the caffeine and relax. Damn. lol

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 62094)

:shakehead::banghead::rofl:

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 62105)

The Veyron is so inefficient as a mechanical thing it's ridiculous. Sure, it's a cool handmade car, but it's not the end all be all of big MPH cars. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 62119)

So by that logic, I could go buy a UGR TTG and it's stock. Gotcha.


Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are dumber than that.

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 62139)

I'd love to agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong! =p

Originally Posted by Stangmaster281 (Post 62154)

All the cars mentioned in this thread are slower than mustangs. :emotions33:

Originally Posted by Stangmaster281 (Post 62154)

All the cars mentioned in this thread are slower than mustangs. :emotions33:

Originally Posted by blownaltered (Post 62160)

So I guess I missed all the bitching about this. Let me sum this up.

Dominic call Steve hard headed but he will argue anything till nobody cares anymore.
The new vette still has a shitty looking rear end.
The new z06 is still a vette, I don't care how much you charge for it.
There is some midlife crisis shit happening in here.
ugr rules all and Bugatti sucks apparently

Did I miss anything?

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto (Post 62171)

You missed post # 18 where I called you out on your ill-informed post of a ZO6 looking exactly like a base car. Even pointed out many of the exterior changes Chevy made to differentiate the ZO6 from the Stingray.

That's not arguing, just pointing out that you lied :handshake:

-Alex

Originally Posted by blownaltered (Post 62173)

I didn't lie, I said they look the same. I don't give a shit if you think they are completely different they aren't. Yes they do minor changes but not enough for me to call it a different car. It's still a vette with a shitty looking rear end. If you like it so much go buy one big guy but for me to spend a 100k I'm going to buy a car that doesn't look like the car that is half the price.

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto (Post 62174)

:rondod:

You said they look exactly alike. Clearly you do not have the correct understanding of what the word exactly means. Here it is spelled out "in every respect."

How on earth do the cars look exactly alike when everything else is different except roof panel, doors, door mirrors, and trunk? Exactly, they don't. Oh and I never said that I think they are completely different but, I'll give you a cookie if you can find a quote where I did. I can quote all day your false claims, you can't do the same to me. Chevy made major changes but guess what, it is similar to a Stingray because.... it IS a Corvette lol. What did you expect them to make it look like? Not a Corvette? That's fine if you don't think it's worth your $100k but Chevy doesn't care, the cars will sell just fine whether you buy one or not.

-Alex

Originally Posted by blownaltered (Post 62188)

Well great by your logic nobody will know I drive a fox body, since the hood and trunk are different. Shit I should charge double for it when I sell it. It even has a supercharger to, it must be a completely different car. I appreciate the heads up