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FINALLY!!

Exactly and I can't wait to see this type of battle. To think a $75K American muscle car will be competing with a $115K+ Nissan and a $130K+ GT3 is an amazing feat for American car manufacturing.

I was just pointing out proof at that track. I even acknowleged that they were different drivers so the data should be taken with a grain of salt. But by the same token you note the GTR is faster around the ring, but they were not piloted by the same driver either. :suicide: Yahoo was the only ones to test these two cars together, but they provide no track times which is lame. Driver said he felt the Nissan was faster with better accelleration, but noted the Z/28 better in the turns and braking department (which on smaller tracks is where time is made). So it is a toss up with these two cars, really dependent on a track. Willow is small without a ton of straights so I give the edge on that track to the Z/28. Open it up with more straights, edge back to the GTR

http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoram...190444455.html

My key factor is every car can put a single fast lap down. I know people on track days that put a faster, single lap down in Porsche's, Vette's, R8's, etc compared to my GT. However, I cross the line first because my brakes hold up better (cooling kits and better pads/fluid) and I can manage my tires. But to be able to do that consisently over 20 minutes is hard on a cars tires and brakes, which are the biggest factors on a real track. Therefore with carbon cermaics that don't fade over time and superior tires give the edge to the Z/28. But I am curious to see what these cars do in a comparo. Knowing car magazines, the GT3 will win though (even if it burns down), the Z/28 will take second and get knocked for poor interior build quality (because racecar), and the GTR will take 3rd because of electronics doing the driving for you.

I can't wait till Randy gets in these cars though and does a real/fair test.

Based in ring times the z28 beat an 09 gtr. Lolol the gtr is due for a all new chassis soon. The chassis is 6years old and even though they have upgraded it...tere is only so much you can do. Yea 75k and 505hp is heads up with 33k 420. Lol the new mustang is gna be a beast.

Porsche wins because the car is in tune with the driver. I drive my dads 944 every now and then and jeez I love that car.

Lololol does it matter on the gtr? Does it matter on the boss? It matters on any car made for performance.

I think its pretty bad ass... but I already have a heavy track type rattle bucket on the street road race car, that would make the Z look like a Kia anyway.

I dont know why it has to cost a fortune, but GM will sell every one they can build.

Supply and demand. A Bugatti doesn't need to cost over $1mill but, people will gladly shell out the money for one.

-Alex

Absolutely. There are more than enough diehards who will buy those things up. It's good for everyone when they manufacturers have these horsepower wars because they build better cars on both sides of the fence.

I don't know why so many Stangers are hell bent with this Z/28. It's was the same way when the ZL1 came out. I rarely see ZL1's running around town or at the meets. I'm sure it will be the same way with the Z/28.

Actually, Veyrons cost more than they sell for to build... This Camaro doesnt. its just GM being greedy ass holes like they are with the C7 and their big trucks.

Damn Obama Motors!

Gm has enough shit to wry about while trying to be fastest. These niche cars don't make money and their new trucks sales have been dismal.

Watch "2014 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 vs. 2014 Nissan GT-R T…" on YouTube
2014 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 vs. 2014 Nissan GT-R T…: http://youtu.be/PqkyWhVBSKU

Pobst just drove both on the same track same day. Almost even, but the Z/28 was a couple tenths faster. Considering that those brakes are a $20K option on Porsche's, I still say this is a bargain for what it can do.

Cool.

-Alex

GM's are slow! Wanna race? :secret:

I told you I'm Down whenever. If I win does that make my car a better value since its cheaper?

Edit: gm aren't all slow, just built like shit.

The gtr platform came out in 08. 6 years is an eternity in the car world. The new one will be out soon and I can see it dipping into the 10's like the 911.

I have no doubt in the GTR's ability to put power to the ground better than anything out there. GTR's will always beat RWD cars at the drag strip and I know that. It will be insteresting to see what or if Nissan comes out with something new on the GTR though.

My thing is power is easy and cheap to make on cars. For being on a track though, stopping and turning are king. Brakes, aero, tires, and suspension, along with the tuning of said suspension, are the real expensive things to develop. IMO, the Z/28 is better set-up for the track right now as power can easily be had (on the cheap) with cams, exhaust, and a CAI to open that LS7 up. For the GTR to catch up on brakes alone is going to run $20-30K.

My argument is the Z/28 is actually a bargain for what it will beat. It's not meant to be a daily driver, more like the Lotus vehicles of late.

I suppose that depends on the individual on what is important to him and how the car is being used. If you feel your car is a good value for you and how you use it, then it is!

Personally, the 5.0 doesn't work for me. I like my 5.0, it's a very nice cruiser. But it's not very practical for me to use it often enough due to the lack of space in the backseat for little ones. In order for me to be able to put a rear facing car seat in there the front seat had to go way up to where my wife wasn't comfortable anymore. I ended up cruising it around by myself most of the time the rare times I'm actually alone which is usually only on Friday nights or running some quick errands. So we ended up having not one, but TWO Mustangs that just sit in the garage 90% of the time and that is a waste.

I think the most impressive aspect of this car is that a Camaro is legitimately competing with the likes of 911 Turbos and GTR. That's incredible all within itself. No matter how people want to downplay the super impressive C7Z brakes, the great suspension tuning, the fully built LS7 with Mahle pistons, dry sump, Recaros, weight reduction, Tremec TR6060, aero etc etc, this is a fucking Camaro beating a GTR.... A Camaro... a bone stock Camaro. A say plus 1 to GM.

-Alex

I agree.

I'm hoping this Z/28 being so good will make Ford really step up their game too. They aren't telling us much about the upcoming models and SVT stuff yet. Should be interesting to see what happens.

On a side note of the GTR -

I don't know how many of you have driven one, but I have. It's an AMAZING machine in every facet of what it does. It's fast, solid, very sure footed all the things you heard the magazines rave about, it meets all the hype. But one thing the magazines do not tell you is how fucking boring a GTR is to drive after awhile.

The car is a technical marvel for sure, but in doing so with all of its electronic driver babysitter nannies on it, it really does everything for you. Your Grandma could literally drive a GTR fast because it's so stable.

If you like that type of car, that's fine. But if you like a drivers car then a GTR isn't for you.

Exactly. I never understood what the point of people bringing up the driver of a GTR. Like it matters. The car is as fast with a fetus in the driving seat as it is with the Stig.

-Alex

That's it!!! Now I want to see this

[Top Gear UK Music]

[Clarkson Voice]
Tonight on Top Gear...Can a Fetus beat the Stig?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbdhNc_36Kc

Listen Randy's comments about the Z/28 vs the Boss 302 Laguna Seca. His words not mine. Flame suit and hazmat suit on.

-Alex

In today's news. Gm stock fell 15%. Lol keep building shit.

More todays news...my GM is faster than your Ford and handles better too! =)

Your v out handles a 5.0 now. Wow wow wow. Maybe with a decent driver which I'm sure it doesn't. Lololol ;)

That's because of recall-gate or ignition-gate, whatever you want to call it.

GM fucked themselves.

You're uninformed if you think it doesn't..

Well letsgo to dkc. All karts are the same and see who sets the faster time.

I'm talking about the cars. I've never even been to DKC, dork. That's like me saying let's get together to grapple. lmao.

Well you were saying your driving skills were legit

Here you go.. how easy it is to race a gtr The proper way to race a GTR: http://youtu.be/TJmGkWRYWrk

Funny stuff, I'm sorry a 3,900 lbs track car?? And it does have a rear seat because it uses it as a brace, also because if they removed it it would be a 2 seater and compete with the vette... GM said nope. Lastly.. you forget this car is still GM (poor) engineering, when you design a car for plan for the future, you plan for what people will do to the car, you take into consideration repairs. .. GM does none of that, everyone here knows of the camaro heater core replacement debacle. We have all wrenched on our mustangs, most things seem thought out right? Replacement part prices are low, most mod parts bolt right up, the cai on this car is the easiest I've ever done. The front brembo brakes were designed to out brake the camaro while still being able to bolt on the most widely used drag rims on the back, compare trunk sizes and openings. Back to the z28, look what they had to do to make a car compete, instead of building a proper car they put tires on it that cost $600 each, before import cost, and with 6,000 tread life.. look at replacement cost for those brakes, and the suspension? Dear god that's expensive. . It was designed as a daily driver race car... for the very rich maybe.

Please quote where I said that. Oh, you cant..because I didnt.

Yup, just like the GTR is near two tons.

If the GTR removed the backseat, it would compete with the Vette and GM said nope? Uhhh, The Corvette has been aimed at and beating several cars with backseats lol like the Porsche 911.

Are you seriously suggesting that GM did a poor design on the car because of a failed heater core issue!? If that's the case, then explain the fuck up Ford did with the glass transmission in our Mustangs. People can't even drive a stock GT without having to worry about their manuals whining. Which would you rather pay for; a heater core or a transmission?

All cars have design flaws and crap that breaks.

I've put CAIs on plenty of cars. If this was easy compared to any other car then you were clearly having instructional issues. A CAI is easy period.

Now that's facetious. Any review I've read, heard and seen praises the brakes on a Camaro over the Mustang. The 1LE has better than the track pack and the ZL1 will consistently have better braking over a GT500 ALL day long.

Everyone on this board swaps out the stock tires for better tires, so what is your argument really? The car costs over $70k, if you can't afford $2,400 worth of tires for a car built for the track... you're doing it wrong.

The brakes will outlast the car. Why would you need to replace them?

Just because you can't afford it, doesn't mean you need to be rich to afford one. Don't use your personal agenda of not making enough money to afford this car to try to criticize it. Honestly, this stock Camaro is competing with cars a Mustang can't. And doing it for relatively cheap.

-Alex

75k for a 12sec car? Lol man you get out on the street and get beat what are you gonna say? Follow me to eagles canyon? Lololol

Meh.

Same argument can be said for plenty of cars with less performance. Porsche sells every 911 it builds and anything under a Turbo is slow. Aston Martins are also slow and sell for way more than this Camaro and perform less than it does.

Trying to argue price on cars like this is ridiculous. There are reasons to buy the car that don't include straight line performance.

-Alex

Well said.

Most am are very luxury cars.
Porsche has ac, radio and leather ect. This car is stripped so why doesn't 1/4 mile apply. I'm still tryna figure out why they didnt take the car to willow. Every motortremd head to head is done at willow. The gtr beat the zo6 around that track. At the ring the gtr was sec upon sec faster.

Excellent post!

Ever notice the people who continually bring up cost of a car to justify everything are the people who can usually barely afford the car they do have which is barely modded?