A statement is made that diesel prices are likely to increase in the future but gas prices won't do the same? What logical basis is this assumption drawn from?

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From what I have seen in this thread, others share factual data and you respond with hyperbole, conjecture and speculation.

I see trolling.

He's constantly side tracking threads with his nonsense. This is a great conversation aside from his nonsense. Allow me a moment to resolve this issue then you gentleman can proceed with your adult conversation.

I see that somebody got a vacation

Small one for a cool off period.


Now back to your conversation, fellas.

Longevity is only questioned because of fairly new tech. A twin turbo designed for heavier duty use instead of speed is new tech. The reliabilty of an engine constantly being fed boost seems like greater chances for things to fail vs. a traditional V8 which loafs along.

This is just my speculation though. I have no data to back it up, just me being skeptical. Diesels have proven that a turbo'd engine can last, but the characteristics between the two engines are quite different. I think the EB can be reliable as a heavier duty engine, but I wouldn't want to put my money there until these things have more data points (only in terms of longevity, I don't think the fuel economy will ever be there).

Trust me brother, I know fuelly isn't the end all be all for fuel economy reporting, but I do think it is the best place to pull data from on the internet currently.

I have never considered a MOPAR product before. When the put the ZF 8 speed auto in there pentastars though, I thought finally Dodge is doing something right. ZF makes a great transmission. Then a VM diesel, which is heavily used in Europe was put into the 1500/Jeep Grand Cherokee which I thought was a good move. I have doubts on all the other stuff, but the major components I am not as worried as before. This is the same mentaility I took behind stepping into a Mustang. The pros outwieghted the cons and I took a chance (which after a blown cylinder I question my choice).

I trusts your Dad's EB runs great too and given the way he drives, get's the mileage worthy of Ford's claims. But to me the majority of data swings the other way in relations to fuel economy. Plus EPA claims on the EB are 22 HWY and the EcoDiesel claims 28 HWY in 2WD forms. I don't think these engines are competitors though, the EB has much more capability that the EcoDiesel. To me, the EcoDiesel is a competitor with the higher mileage gasoline small V8's and V6's.

My father has an 14 EB 4x4 with roughly 2-3K miles.
The one time i drove it the average mpg read 16.4 based off the trucks computer with mixed highway & city. To me that seems low, since he drives like a grandpa.
Im curious what guys with tuned EB f-150's are getting?

ps.
***Diesel*** not diesal re7.

Tuning has been making a huge difference on the EBs from everything I've seen.

It seems his only reason to post here is to troll and post random nonsense BS. Anything that isn't "ford is the greatest ever" gets his attention lol.

If I had the money I'd gladly buy a new ecodiesel. Rip out the emmisons crap and turn it up. Its going to be awesome. I'm betting 30+mpg highway turned up.

Exactly. By not having negative equity in my truck, this purchase is possible to for me. Gives me a chance to get better gas mileage daily driving, while having a much nicer interior and towing experience. MotorTrend (they are biased towards the newest truck) did give this truck the Truck of the Year honors, first truck to recieve the award consecutive years since they started doing so in 1979. Fuel economy was a big portion of why it won, but they also stated it towed the best out of the other 1/2 tons.

http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear/...k_of_the_year/

For once, a Mopar product is worth the gamble to me.

I just want to say, the only reason the Ram won TOTY for consecutive years was because they added the ecodiesel when Ford and Chevy didn't really change too much on their trucks. Ford's F-Series haven't really had many changes or updates since 2011 other than new headlights and grills. lol

People complain about diesel being more expensive but you get more mpg, better towing, and its just better to drive in general. Its worth the extra $10-15 when you fill up IMO. Its cheaper than 93 and you get way more performance. Everyone complaining about new tech.....this motor has been out for along time just on other platforms. There's nothing really new here. Just because you take the motor out of 1 truck and put in another doesn't make then motor bad. It will probably last longer than normal seeing as its in a smaller truck than the normal box trucks they put it in.

Truth, but both Toyota and Chevy had refreshes between 2013 & 2014. Those refreshes were greater than just one engine being added to the Ram lineup. I was expecting Chevy to take it as usually the newest refresh wins. Either Ram has a great truck (which I think it maybe good) or Chevy dropped a ball on their redesign.

The general consensus among anyone that doesn't suck a bowtie like a penis, would agree with the latter.

Not sure why rx7 is saying you'll never see the upgrade cost back, guess he's never heard of resale value. Plus I'm pretty sure fuel costs overall will be cheaper. My experience with 2 hemi rams over 53,000 miles was that I saw maybe 35 tanks that were over 15 mpg. Just with my 2012, out of 105 fill ups only 13 were 15 mpg or higher; the overall average is 13.6. Every tank was with 93(89 is recommended, 87 is acceptable though). My trucks never saw towing or hauling(other than ass) that would effect numbers. Even getting 20 mpg compared to 15 mpg in the gasser unloaded, the diesel upgrade would pay off depending on how long you own the truck.

As far as tuning goes, I would wait and see when, or even if, it does come out. I waited years for bullydog and diablo to unlock the computer and bring out tuners for my trucks. They still have nothing for the GC diesel which has been out a little longer than the ram, so that's a sign right there that tuning may take a while.

I think the ecodiesel is good for somebody that either wants FI power without being In a gasser like the ecoboost, or doesn't want to pay the $10k markup to get into a comparable 3/4 or 1 ton truck.

Just be warned the resale value will suck compared to Toyota, no matter what.

I'm not too worried about resale value. I'm only 26 and vehicles will come and go for me over the years. Heck, if I worried about resale value I wouldn't own a Mustang let alone modify it the way I have.

I have a simple idea when it comes to vehicles purchasing. Buy whatever is the best out there that I can afford. Right now, this configuration is the best 1/2 ton power gain combo out there IMO.

Ive done lots of research looking for a new work truck and the ecodiesel is my pick. It is a 2800 upcharge from the hemi and 4500 (4000 for engine and 500 for the transmission) from the v6 for only a few more mpgs. My rational on it is real world mpg. I've test driven a fully loaded 4x4 for 20 miles mixed highway/city (more highway) and was getting 25-26. The v6 model is returning 19-22 (according to fuely) but factor in a modest 1k payload for work supplies with occasional high elevation and the diesel looks that much better.

I read an article that tested it at max payload vs the 2500 Ram and it STILL returned 20mpg. I think the 2500 was in the 15-17 range. The problem now is getting ram to throw in those massive gas incentives on the eco.. so far I've only been offered invoice -2k. Some gassers are getting 10k off msrp!

I'm going through a bank's (Pentagon Federal Credit Union) car buying service. I am going for a Laramie with almost everything and I was able to get somewhere between $9K-10K off MRSP. I know USAA has one too, but car buying services are easy way to avoid dealers unwilling to budge or if a hot new vehicle comes out with a dealer upcharge. I know guys in the military were using these to avoid dealer markup on GT500's and Boss 302's when dealers were charging over MSRP to get one.

Man that's exactly what I'm looking at. Either a Laramie or Laramie longhorn cuz that leather is o so nice. Ill have to look into a CU service. I would sign tomorrow on a LL if I can get 10k off sticker. Shoot me a pm if you don't mind with any info on your CU I may be able to use.

I used Pentagon Federal CU. They have a car buying service with TrueCar, which got me into the truck I just bought tonight. You would have to see if you qualify to be a member with that CU though. Sticker on this puppy, $54.6k. I walked away after negotiations at $45.7k. These are trucks that people are saying they sell only MSRP minus rebates right now due to demand...which I call some dealer BS. You just have to fight and come armed.

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Either way, here it is. 2014 Ram 1500 Laramie EcoDiesel 4x4. Air ride, nav, keyless everything, auto start, tow package, etc. This thing isn't fast 0-60, but it has impressive passing power and rides better than any other vehicle I have been in. Time will tell how good or bad of a decision I just made.

Looks awesome. I wish I could afford one. Keep us updated on real world figures. Go get that baby tuned!

54.6k MSRP! Holy crap!!!!!!!!!

Air ride?
Is it a load leveling system?

Here is Dodge's video explaining it.

I'll need a new truck in 2-3 years.
As I am frequently loading/unloading motorcycles from the truck bed, this truck just made the top of my list!
Hopefully, by the time I am ready to purchase all the bugs will be worked out.

Congrats jeff! I want that exact truck color and all. And yes please keep us posted on real world mpg. 95% of my driving is highway. Not sure if it's true but I heard a guys mpg went up to 31 after a tow to Austin and back. Maybe these things need some loosening up!

Nice truck!

I'm gonna have to check out penfed next time I'm car shopping. Don't think navy fed has a similar service

Quick update:

Drive it pure city mileage for 100 miles. Computer states I am getting 19.9 MPG right now. Not bad for a 1/2 ton.

Air ride is amazing & it is fully self leveling. Took a spring with my Mustang on the trailer around town and the truck didn't have that awful nose up look that I am familiar with. Also, plenty more useable power than my V8 tundra while towing. Engine isn't working hard at all (even better than the EB & I know the EB has a higher rating). Ventilated seats are amazing, worth it.

Once I break this engine in and have a couple tanks down. I will really give it a full in depth review. Everything from town, highway, and towing 6000lbs to Oklahoma. For those who don't look at other brands...you are missing out. I convinced my roommate tonight to get a 14 Camaro 1LE after his SS crapped out its oil pump. Once he epwas comfortable with the deal I negotiated for him, I went and sat in a High Country 2014 Silverado. Their top of the line interior is not as good as the Dodge's almost top of the line that I have. Dodge has stepped up there game.

Once that diesel is broken in, expect the mileage to creep up a bit more. That's very impressive to hear it's doing that good already.

I caved and got a longhorn hemi and skipped out on the air ride. I liked it but felt the truck rode better without it and I never tow.. anyways I paid 50k out the door with a msrp of 53k. They got me for 900 more than we agreed to with their fees.. I had my daughter screaming and the seized the opportunity lol...
Anyway I'm getting 19-20 highway. Not as good as the diesel and I may regret not getting it but the power is fun!

Notice any drawbacks on the eco or is it everything its cracked up to be?

Gd interview on ford vs diesel.

http://youtu.be/O0Z24RpzhI8

You will def. love the interior of the Laramie Longhorn, these top of the line models make for great interiors. Now that I have had it for a few weeks, I was finally able to compile all my notes for this truck.

Now that I have it for a few weeks, I finally was able to run the truck through a sleu of testing. For most, this maybe a too long, didn't read review...but for those looking at a 1/2 ton it maybe worth the read.

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2014 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 EcoDiesel Review

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Initial Impressions: Coming from a 2010 Toyota Tundra 4x4 with the 4.6L V8, I had experience with excellent engines and transmissions. During the test drive, I notice that the EcoDiesel 3.0L VM Motori Diesel is not going to be fast off the line by any means. With only 240HP, my 4.6L V8 had more HP. But HP isn’t everything in trucks and the 420 TQ out of the Ram’s engine is very addictive and provides excellent passing power when you spool the turbo. As far as the interior of the Tundra, it was pretty Spartan even by the standards of 2010. Ram has stepped up their game. I sat in King Ranches, Tundra 1794’s, Chevy High Countries, along with the Laramie Longhorn and Ram’s interior can compete with them. I went with the slightly lower trim, which has proved to be as luxurious as I have ever been in. Ergonomics of controls, outside of the small gear selecting buttons on the steering wheel, the Ram is better sorted. The Tundra was simple, but there were long reaches in order to adjust the center stack. Paint qualities on the Toyota’s are lackluster at best and the Ram appears to have better quality paint on its exterior. Paint color choices are fairly slim and poor in my opinion, which is ultimately why I went with white. It won’t wow anybody, but it will never look bad. Ride quality was night and day difference between the two trucks. Mostly due to the adoption of rear coil springs vs. leaf springs that are in most trucks. The air ride was hard to tell if it was doing anything, outside of wowing people when you squat it in order to help short people climb in the truck. This is what I gathered from my first few weeks of ownership. I am quickly becoming an advocate for this specific drivetrain combo (Ram EcoDiesel with 8SPD Auto), hoping that typical Dodge problems arrive. If so, this decision will be a mistake, but if this combo proves reliable, I stand by my claim that this is the best ½ ton on the market.

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City Driving: Cannot express how nice this truck drives compared to my Tundra or by any other vehicle I have been in. Very quiet, with windows up you can barely hear the diesel under the hood. Road noise, exhaust noise, etc. are very minimal and I can only assume noise fatigue will never be an issue as long as someone doesn’t mess with things. As far as driving characteristics, getting used to the way a diesel makes power will take some getting used to as you have to anticipate a little more in order to be in the power band. Brakes feel adequate to handle anything you can throw at it for daily driving, however pedal feels is almost non-existent compared to the Tundra’s very positive feeling brake pedal. Now to the bottom line, fuel economy. I drove the truck for approximately 150 miles with pure in town mileage. I never got on the highway, only city streets with speed limits varying from 20-55 mph. Needless to say, I averaged 19.6 MPG according to the Ram’s computer. I never saw city mileage like that with my Tundra and even rarely saw that mileage with pure highway miles. Huge victory for Team EcoDiesel.

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Towing: Let’s get an idea for the load I was towing. On the back of a 2000lb car hauler, I had either a 2014 Camaro SS 1LE or a 2013 Ford Mustang GT, which equates to roughly 6000-6500 pounds. The route was mostly back country two lane highways of rolling terrain with speed limits at 70-75 MPH between Killeen and College Station, TX. During the duration of the towing, I stayed with traffic at the speed limit. With an overall length of trip totaling 215 miles, I was able to achieve an average MPG of 15.6. That is 5-7 more than any V8 truck (including 3.5L EcoBoost Options) will get. Granted, those vehicles will have more passing power than my truck, but the EcoDiesel loafed along with that load and felt like it was laboring less than my older V8. All while running the AC, ventilated seats, and a nice stereo playing XM. In addition to the obvious benefits of towing with a diesel, the air ride suspension is amazing. With auto leveling depending on your load, the Ram stays flat and even throughout the trip. My old Tundra, with a beefier suspension of upgraded shocks and leaf springs, would still be nose up towing this same load. Another huge victory for Team EcoDiesel.

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Highway Cruising: I tested this with a road trip from Fort Hood, TX to Lawton, OK via highway 281. A 300 mile one way trip that would last five hours with varying speed limits from 65-75 MPH. Once again, the Ram shined in the ride department maintaining a luxurious and smooth ride. The navigation system is actually one of the best I have ever messed with and the sound quality from the Alpine system is good enough for a factory system. Once I hit the open highway, I set the cruise control near the speed limit which ended up being 76 MPH the entire trip when I wasn’t in a small town. The terrain on HWY 281 is like most TX Highways, rolling terrain between farms and small towns. The EcoDiesel never felt labored and the 8SPD transmission always had the Ram in the right gear, never searching like my 4.6L Tundra used to do. I also want to note how I was driving. I stuck with the mentality that in no way was I going to impede traffic or try to hyper mile in anyway. If I caught up to someone, I would pass them to maintain my pace. So now to what most people want to read, the fuel economy bottom line. For the first half of the trip, the ED returned 27.0 MPG at 76 MPH…that’s right, the Ram ED gets what it actually advertised. On the way back, I bucked a 15 MPH headwind for the first half of the journey but I was still able to return 26.6 MPG overall. Combined fuel economy on a pure highway excursion, 26.8 MPG.

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Bonus Driving: Not everyone has a road like TX 130 in their backyard like I do right now, but I decided to test the truck at higher highway speeds. New tarmac and concrete, TX 130 is a stretch from Georgetown to Seguin in order to bypass I-35 and the abysmal Austin traffic. Speed limits range from 80 MPH for the first half and 85 MPH for the second half. So once again, I set the cruise control at the posted speed limits to see what I returned. So, this aerodynamic brick was able to return 23.4 MPG on the way down and 23.2 MPG on the way back. Once again, not bad for a full sized ½ ton truck.

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Driving like an asshole…I mean hybrid owner: For a 30 mile stretch, I decided to try my best to get great fuel economy, not caring about what I was doing to traffic behind me. Luckily, no one was on the highway that I chose so I was willing to do this. 70 MPH speed limit, I set the cruise at an easy 63 MPH once the aerodynamic mode kicked in on the air suspension and active front louvers. After 30 miles, I filled up and did the calculations and I returned 30.1 MPG over rolling terrain and driving through 4 stop lights and one small town.

Big Negative: One thing that I am noticing is the rate at which this truck consumes DEF. Ram claims that the 11 gallon tank is designed to last 10,000 miles, that way the oil change and DEF fill can be done at the same time. However, I currently have 1600 miles on the truck and I am close to the 1/2 tank mark. I don't know if there is a break in period of the exhaust emissions system, but this thing drinks DEF fluid so far. Luckily, it is easily filled at $3 bucks a gallon at truck stops, but I am still surprised at the rate it is consuming it.