1. Pypes are the only stepped header for these cars. 1 3/4" to 1 7/8".
2. They have the correct primary to collector firing order placement.
3. They fit very well and tuck nicely.

I think they have had a bad rap in the past but on the 2011+ 5.0 they are at the top for design, fit and quality. You don't have to donate a kidney to buy a set either.

Sounds like we will all find out soon. :D

DFW50's always delivers. :happy107:

So, knowing full well that you intend to go turbo, you would still buy and install parts that will instantly become useless when you fulfill your plans? The factory exhaust is plenty efficient on these cars, and wouldn't be a hindrance to making power until you get well up into the big numbers. Actually, the same could be said for the intake system as well. I know several mid 11 second cars that still use the stock airbox and headers.

That's man, something I just may have to consider looking into :)

Yes and no? I dont know how to really explain my dumb thoughts or why i even plan to waste the money. I want/plan to go turbo. key word being want. doesn't really mean i will you know? anything can happen. as for now I'm willing to spend the money to buy the parts that will make the car faster/more fun to drive while i'm still far away from ever going turboed. That's why I was asking. I have always lived by the old saying "torque wins races and horsepower sells cars." so at the moment keeping my tq as close to my hp is my main objective. as for install, i work at a ford dealership in the shop and have well over 15k in tools installing/removing isn't an issue. and I can always pull off parts and sell them used and try to get back as much as i can

I understand the logic, but more money has been wasted buying uneeded parts than probably anything else. It's nice to have a plan and stick to it, although I never have either!

haha i hear you on that man! obviously headers in general will provide better gains it all just boils down to do you want to spend the money for this "x" amount of gains. There's so much money wasted in unneeded parts when people sell cars/trade them in too lol

Headers are probably the worst offenders though, especially for these cars. The 10-12 hp gain isn't worth the cost at all in my opinion, unless you going with a max effort N/A build and need those last few ponies.

falling back onto that goal again. 420-425ish hp and as much tq to that as possible. just want a fun street car that I can lay into and have a blast with the few trips out to the track. wheels/tire/driveshaft first though.

I don't think Oxford seems to understand you don't use your standard headers for a turbo application rather than using turbo headers that are meant for the kit.

I understand that. I'm just saying if/when i buy headers once/if i go turbo they're now pointless to me. I thought I said that before no?

Ok, just wanted to be clear. If a kit is still awhile off for you, then I see no problem getting another set of headers for your NA set up. You can find lots of people selling some used headers in nice condition for a reasonable price and run them until you switch.

I can understand why some might think that buying some longtubes may not worth the money for them if all they care about is just making more power. But you get more than more power, you also get a nice deeper tone in your exhaust note and pick a few top end MPH as well.

Is 10-15hp worth it? Maybe, maybe not. That's up to you and what is important to YOU.

My car made more than that with the stock headers.

Exactly what I plan to do. I'll buy used if I have cash on hand.. generally I let my credit tale care of the goodies lol

Hmm that's interesting. A freak? Lol

Not at all. Plenty of cars out there making more than mine did before the blower. 435 with stock exhaust, long tubes were worth exactly 10 on my car. If I wouldn't have gotten a sweet deal on them, they would never have made their way on to the car.

Jalal I believe Johnathan has his custom headers for sale :)

Yeah I saw that lol. Just $ seems to always be tight with me. Like I told Steve my credit normally buys the goodies and get paid off that way

U dynoed 435 with just a tune? U say stock exhaust.. not much left to bolt on

My car makes 416rw with nothing more than an H pipe and a tune.

Generous dyno.

JLT CAI, and Pypes muffler deletes are all I had on the car at the time. For the record, the car made 415 in that configuration and running the VMP canned tune. The custom tune brought it up to 435.

Downtime good numbers! Were your numbers SAE or STD?

SAE on Gearheads old dyno (or the original dyno, hell, the new one may be old too!).

And just for the record, for all you guys thinking about a blower of some sort, my car in N/A form was an absolute blast to drive everyday. Even with my bad shoulder, it could rip off mid 11's (my best was 11.60 at 119). You could jump in, twist the key and go anywhere at anytime. Blown cars can still do that, to an extent, but it's still not the same. Much more of an "effort" to road trip a blown car.

How so? I've had several blown cars and it's no different with a blown car than a NA car unless your foot in is the boost the whole way. If you have a good tune, it should drive like stock on a roadtrip.

Downtime those are impressive numbers. Thatd be like me get a custom tune and dyno out 420. That'd be 20hp loss than someone with boss Mani and full bolt ons. How does this shit even make sense I wonder to myself sometimes LOL

We need to run lol I'm just cai/tune

Much more likely to break something with the extra strains put on the mechanicals. Don't get me wrong, it's still fun to road trip a blown car, you just have to be a little more careful with things, especially past a certain power level.

I guess what I was really trying to get across is that the magazines these days make it seem like every Stang you see has a blower, and if you don't have one, you're just not cool. That is total bullshit, these cars are a freakin' blast to drive N/A, so don't think you have to have some form of forced induction to be "in".

What I'm saying is, numbers don't mean anything (other than showing a quantifiable outcome to modifications performed). 420 is nothing to scoff at, and with a little practice and some sticky tires, will run middle 11's all day long. You will also be able to handle any stock, or even mildly modded LS wundercar you might happen across while in Mexico. Nothing wrong with that!

Definetly the only thing that matters is track times. I've managed to get the stock 235s to run 2.0 60' now lol ran 8.4s spinning 1-3

You mean anything short of a Corvette right?

-Alex

Close to my times, I ran a 8.1 or something my last time out a few months back.
Ive ran c5 Zo6 vettes and pulled.

Nope. Rule out some Z06's and the odd ZR1, if you ever happen to run across one, but run of the mill Z51 cars are no problem. The key is, all (OK, most) Vette drivers like to roll race, and for some reason, they always want to go pretty high, like from 55 or 60. That allowed me to grab 3rd and be right in the meat of the powerband. There is nothing like tromping a plastic fantastic driver in your big, heavy Mustang. They all beat on the steering wheel in exactly the same way. There must be a class they have to take on that!

Yep, we got to get you some DR's!

Ah I forgot your car is s/ced, that makes then.

-Alex

he was talking about when he was N/A.

Interesting.

-Alex

Like he was saying as long as its not a C6 Z06 or ZR1 a bolt on 5.0 can hold its own

Completely agree. I've had the opportunity to run a c6 Z from a 40 in second I pulled on the punch until I hit third than he said bye bye lol. other than that .... a badass pontiac G8 thats it.