i know i was in the rain with radials too

I only drive mine in the rain

I like cruising the Stang. I drive it when I can but I can't always drive it. I've got two kids and two car seats and their stuff doesn't fit in a Stang. Plus its too loud for the baby. lol

Besides, the point of the Stang is for spirited driving on occasion and I can't do that with the kids in the car.

As I've said before, considering in 7 years I had my 93 Cobra, I put 7k miles on it. So almost 11k in 18 months on the GT is a VAST improvement for me. lol

Wow, I've already put 7k on the Viper

That's because you're other 12 cars are all apart in pieces in shops spread out all over the state. lol

....or I just drive a lot? lol. I've put 140k on my truck in less than 4 years. I put 7k+ miles on my V before I took it apart. I just drive a shit load.

3 of my cars are apart in MY shop :)

I was joking. :)

25k on my 11:peace:

Said it before, but...

I love the power on the stang, and its a hell of a lot of fun. but there is a reason why the japanese market is still around, and why a lot of peolpe mod them.

frs/brz for example. is it gonna outrun a 5.0 on the highway? not a chance. but you go through some twisty roads with it, or just hooligan it around town, its a blast.
in my opinion its much more fun to drive a slow car that is balanced (not a camry, but s2000, brz/frs, miata) fast than to drive a fast car slow, and i think this fits well in this case.

the other side of the fence has the same questions too. "Why do people buy domestic? all they do is run it in a straight line and make massive power and as soon as a corner comes around they can't hold it and spin". etc.

I love the mustang, and i'm not regretting making the change from my 350z to the mustang at all, but the 350z, or other japanese/european sports cars have something that the domestics lack a little of. and that's feel. i know it sounds stupid, and i know it might not be quantifiable, BUT the way the car moves around a corner, the way it hugs the corner as you exit out in speed. thats the beauty of those cars.

you take a jap sports car, take it to mexico, and you get a green left arrow or a clear right turn, and you heel toe from 3rd to 2nd (or 3rd to fourth if you're going fast enough i guess) and hold the line all the way through, with a little tail slide at the end, and if you tell me that that isn't fun, then i guess you won't ever like these cars.

hellaflush/stance and all that is for dopey kids looking to get a confidence boost by throwing their suspension geometry completely off and scraping everywhere they go just so they can feel good about themselves anyways, so not much to defend there.

Very nice answer. That basically explains what I was not understanding about driving a slow car around town. Still not my cup of tea but, I understand it a lot better now.

And the stance guys... they're just lame :)

-Alex

completely agreed on the stance dudebros. :rondod:

I'd like to point out that not ALL domestics handle badly... Most of them out handle rice/euro cars. They just have higher limits...

Take Junkie's Viper. To "feel" like a FRS or 370 Z in a turn pushing it's limits you'd have to be going over 100 mph on an off ramp. Trust me, it will fuck up any FRS car around, probably even the raced out go cart ones.

Didnt see the 5 I thought it was a c6z that's the only one.

of course not. domestics handle well as well. obv the viper. the vettes do pretty well as well. but considering the price difference between a viper and an frs...
wouldnt it be fair to compare the viper to the gtr then?

and thats also why i say those cars are popular. you can go 40-50 and have a blast.

with that being said.... F THE GTR VIPER ALL DAY

http://www.gtspirit.com/wp-content/u...ntitled-43.jpg

Pure sex. If they really do make it 0-60 in under 2 seconds i'll really think about getting one.

It'd prob do that with current pwr if they took 1000 lbs out of the car. That car under 3k would be the bizness.

The fact that a Nissan GTR is within your price range clearly means you are doing something right in life. Pretty sure those 9 and ten second GTRs are doing 0-60 in less than 3 seconds.

-Alex

That's the nismo.

Price isn't the issue that stopped me from getting one it was the insurance rate. My rate would be almost 6x higher than what im paying for mustang.

Self insurance is a must with one of those cars.

I wish I could swing a 100K car at 35, let alone 24...

As much as I love my Mustang, I miss my VW GTI. Small turbo 4-banger but man was it fun as hell to drive. Once I had it tuned and was putting about 190 to the wheels it was even more fun. Just felt like a go-kart, quick, nimble, and just easy to drive.

The Mustang on the other hand is fast, rear-wheel drive, and a bitch to handle some times in the wrong weather. I also worry all the time about pushing it because I could get in trouble real fast... either with the law or missing a corner.

Plus I think some of the interiors are hard to beat:

http://sieran.simnets.com/gallery2/d...2/DSC03022.JPG

http://sieran.simnets.com/gallery2/d...2/DSC03027.JPG

http://sieran.simnets.com/gallery2/d...2/_DSC0204.JPG

http://sieran.simnets.com/gallery2/d...2/DSC_0231.JPG

Only VW I'd like to have would be a W12 Golf, and R32, or a Passat TDI. Too bad they don't make a GLI Passat. That would be EPIC.

Plaid seats FTMFW! I've always had a soft spot for VW's and would love to find a gen 1 GTi in decent shape. I remember when living in LA, a buddy of mine had an '84 GTi with the Oetinger (sp?) 2.0L 16V conversion. Car made something like 210 at the wheels, way back then. Would beat the living shit out of my '88 Vette on the twisties. Just leave me like I hit the brakes. Really fun car!

The appeal of underpowered imports is underage girls.

With big boobs and no brains. That makes it more fun.

I had a 2010 gti. It was a piece of eurotrash.

To be honest, they were. 2011+ were much better. Unless you go back much further in time they had a pretty bad run for many years.

What was so much better? The 11+ was still an mk vi like the 2010.

I'll take one of these -

http://germancarsforsaleblog.com/wp-...wayupdate3.jpg

And I would sell everything I own to have one of these -

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/au...t-r5-turbo.jpg

Dunno, all of the 2010s and below that I seen at the meets seemed less polished/refined and slower than the 11+. Not to mention lots of broken shit... but may have been the people I was around.

The 2010+ were all the same. 2.0t tsi.

What is that red car?

-Alex

That's a Renault R5 Turbo 2, better known as the Killer Chipmonk. The engine (a high strung 2.0L turbo) sits sideways, directly behind the front seats. The car is just all kinds of freaking awesome.

Ricers are the most unreliable pieces of epic shit on the road today. What the ricer owners at the course refuse to tell you is the fact that they have the more electrical issues known in the automotive industry. The overpriced LFA and GTR are both nice and well powered cars but still can't hold a well rounded vettte or GT. May I remind you that drifting being their favorite auto sport in Japan is ruled by none other than a FORD MUSTANG. American Muscle rules the automotive world! Oh yeah I completely destroyed a tuned EVO this morning;-)

Gt vs gtr:snoopfacepalm: lol


Tuned evo? 8 and 9 evos put dwn 400whp with intake tune exhaust. The stock 16g is a stout turbo.

^ Are you facepalming because the Ford Gt would lose to a gtr or the other way around?

A GTR would certainly handle a FGT all day. I'd rather have a FGT all day though. I've seen women driving GTRs.

-Alex

Alot of truth.

Vaughn gittin Jr rules driving now? LOL.