I just watched that whole thing. What complete nonsense. lol.

I'm not a dietician by any means. What part was nonsense?

-Alex

It's an infomericial with an ulterior motive to sell something. Always a bad place to get advice from.

There is no secrets to weight loss, getting healthy, getting lean or whatever else. The answer is SO simple that people look past the most obvious answer but don't want to do it because they either want some magic pill, powder or supplements without having to do what they are suppose to do -

eating clean whole foods and burning more calories that you take in. Avoiding refined sugars/grains and processed foods and flooding your system with water to be hydrated are the keys to reaching the proper PH balance your body needs to operate efficiently.

Way too many people get caught up in all this marketing gimmick stuff taking in supplements and following these bodybuilding type diets when they aren't even eating clean making it near impossible to obtain your goals. You can't supplement a diet that is based on crap food.

I agree. I do receive the emails from this company so I expected the sell attempt at the end. I did find it interesting about the idea of skipping breakfast though. That was the only thing I was concerned with.

Since I have been on a mission to gain weight(muscle), it's difficult to do that without gaining some fat as well. However, I did change my diet starting this week to stir fry and no carbs to see how that may incluence my weight. I'm going to try this no breakfast routine and just drink water and a creatine drink in the mornings. Won't eat anything until first break at work and nothing "big" until lunch. I've prepared chicken stir fry with lots of veggies for lunch and I'll have one protein shake and eat my chili for dinner.

I've just always heard that when you wake up, your body looks for energy through catabolyzing your muscles instead of fat(which is dumb). So this is the only way I can think of to lose some weight without it being lost as muscle.

-Alex

Try it out and report back what happens. I'm curious to see how it works for you. I'm very interested in learning as much as I can. I think it's really interesting how things seem to work differently for different people.

here are some links to intermittent fasting:

"intermittent fasting"
https://www.google.com/#q=intermittent+fasting

"research on intermittent fasting"
https://www.google.com/#q=research+o...ittent+fasting

and a pdf of that video, word for word

http://bio-dl.s3.amazonaws.com/files...ts-r3p1231.pdf

screw fasting, I like food to damn much. I guess that's why I need to lose 45lbs, but screw it I'm not starving myself

To me, skipping breakfast doesn't make any sense. When you wake up, you've already been fasting eight hours. So to add another 6-7 hours of fast to that skipping breakfast and not eating until lunch just seems to be asking for trouble with blood sugar levels therefor effecting energy and fat loss.

Can't make a fire without a spark.

I started going back to the gym last week and I feel better. Well besides the sore muscles but I definitely feel better. I feel like a lost puppy walking around not knowing what to do anymore. I used to work out a lot when I was younger but now I don't know where to start. I'm thinking about hiring a personal trainer to start me on the right path. Trainers will also give you a meal plan to point you in the right direction to lien up and tone up. Just got to get my lazy ass to do it now.

Better get your ass moving. In a week or so you're going to weigh more than me! :D

Yeah, I am not too sure, I just googled some stuff that the video was talking about. I want to do the paleo diet basically. I just don't like veggies so I have to figure that part out. I guess basically only eat stuff that naturally comes out of the ground and doesn't have to be refined to make.

but like you said, it really very simple, burn more calories than you eat. Too bad that desn't translate well for so many people.

http://www.nerdfitness.com/blog/2010...he-paleo-diet/

http://www.nerdfitness.com/blog/2013...ttent-fasting/

I'll let you pass me for a day or two since I've been lighter than your for the last decade we've been friends :nutkick:

All joking aside I have to praise my friend Steve and say how proud of him I am. For the last 10 years I've heard him say how he wants to lose weight and he has tried many time before with no success but when I went to the meet Friday night I was shocked. He has lost at least 40lbs and is looking great. I am very proud of you my friend and I am very happy for you and your success this time around.

The easiest way to follow the Paleo diet is think of it this way - if it grows from the ground or walked around at some point you can eat it. It works for some people, so give it a try if you think it might work for you. Personally, I'm don't think it's a great diet but you gotta find what works for YOU.

Haha. Well I'm going to make you work to keep it that way. By June I will be 200lbs even. No more Heavyweight division for me! yay!

Thanks bro! As of this morning my total weight loss is 49lbs so far. I'm half way to my goal already! It finally sank in for me that I had to make a change. I don't view it as I'm "dieting" but rather I have changed my lifestyle. I started after Thanksgiving tackling one thing at a time and the first thing for me was quitting those evil sodas. Here I am now, a vegetarian. No sugar, no caffeine, no meat, no dairy, very little bread and I feel MUCH MUCH better.

I think the biggest change though was my mindset about it all and started (and still reading) a LOT about nutrition. I'm not perfect, on occasion I eat something I shouldn't, but now I don't use it as an exuse to blow the rest of the day off and say "I'll start again tomorrow". I was SO bad about that.

I'm also much more active now not living such a sedentary lifestyle. MUCH less TV/internet time and doing more gym and activity time. Yoga every day, hitting the gym, riding my bike. On Friday when it was nice out I went out for a 90 minute fast walk. I can't wait for the nice weather to come so I can do that every day!

For the first time in many, many years I have every confidence I will hit my goal. :)

Carnivore fo lyfe! On another note, I am not nearly as starving as I figured I would be. I've eating half of the normal amount I normally do by this time. Drink a lot more water to try to keep my stomach full. I was going to have a Little Debbie snack but those SOBs have 270 calories in one serving!

A quick look over of one of my daily protein shakes 500 calories. Damn.

-Alex

Just got some new pre-workout today. Axiom - it was beast.

Yea thats a lot of calories for a protein shake. For a low cal high protein shake I really like Muscle Tech Nitro Tech. 30g of protein and only 140 cals! Milk Chocolate tastes pretty decent as well.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/mu...itro-tech.html

I tried a pre-workout mix before and I took the recommended serving size, it had my skin tingling. I don't remember what brand it was though. How long did the energy last for you?

I make mine with two scoops and two glasses of 2% milk, so yeah they get pretty up there in calories.

-Alex

Stop drinking pasturized store bought milk. Its horrible for you. Switch to almond milk. Its much better for you and less calories.

Just curious, why is it bad?

The cows are kept pregnant as much as possible so they will produce milk. They stay in one place in a stall being milked for weeks at a time. They are pumped full of antibiotics to fight off the infections they get and full of extra hormones to produce more milk. The milk is partially infected and PUSS, yes PUSS can be found in ALL store bought milk along with the antibiotics/hormones the cows were given and now being passed to you.

I used to be a big milk drinker. Loved the stuff. It's one of the unfortunate casualties I've discovered in my quest for nutrition knowledge.

Milk it one of the most disgusting things you can buy and put into your body.

So it's not that milk is bad for you it's that corporate america's milk is bad for you. I know the dairy industry has been pushing to put sweeteners into milk and not have to include them in the ingredients.

Correct. There are farms you can still find unpasteurized raw milk that hasn't been treated with hormones/antibiotics. Most people won't do that though because it's not as convenient as running to the grocery store.

That's part of the problem with our society now. We don't work for our food anymore, it's all at our finger tips with convenience eating on nearly every corner. I, like most people, didn't have a CLUE what is in that stuff. Once industry took over our food sources we were doomed to become a fat and sick society.

As far as these ideas that "red meat are bad for you" and the like... they are simply inconclusive. I know a fair amount of gym rats that get their blood tested to compete and their blood comes back in good condition, they are perfectly healthy and they have their regular physicals. People are blowing crap WAY out of purportion.

People were fat long before processed foods were invented. It's not like people were healthier, hell people live longer lives now.

-Alex

LOL..ok.

My friend, who competes in physique competitions indulges in a burger here and there and his physicals and blood tests always comes back spotless. He says the same about his friends that also compete. So clearly the people that built their careers on healthcare know less than people that watch a few youtube videos and think the sky is falling.

I have a DVD at home that I got as a promo item from GNC a while back with a lot of the widely recognized body builders interviewing. When asked "what types of foods should you eat" all of them agree that meat, even red meat are good for nutrition. But again, what can they know, it's their profession to be healthy. The Internet is smarter lol.

-Alex

I didn't know peta joined the fucking boards. Stop it veggie boy

Don't argue with Steve!! He's a vegetarian, they're all smarter than us lowly meat eaters

You're comparing a bodybuilder who highly more active than most people spending hours in a gym every week who by your own admission indulges on occasion to the general mass public. It's ridiculous. A bodybuilders diet is for people who body build tearing down a mass amount of muscle requiring more protein to rebuild the muscles. That type of diet does not apply to general public. If normal people ate the amount of heavy acidic protein that bodybuilders do they would be very sick and lethargic much like how the general masses are generally overweight from poor eating habits in excess and low levels of activity.

People who regularly consume meat, especially red meats have considerable more amount of acid in their systems in order to break that meat down in their systems. Now does that mean you can't eat meat at all? Of course not, it's just a personal choice of mine. You can eat almost anything within moderation but that doesn't mean it's good for you. I like eating meat just as you do, but the proof is in my results with great weight reduction, lowering blood pressure and chloresterol levels.

Being that highly acid greatly from eating large amounts of meat throws off PH balance in the body because it's very taxing on the digestive system. My information comes straight from a nutritionist, my doctor, reading books and my own blood test results.

As I said in reference to GTOPhil in another thread, you have to take what information you get online with a grain of salt and do your own due diligence with research. After than all you can do is put it to work to achieve your own results to see what works for you.

LOL, that has nothing to do with being a vegetarian. That is simply just being healthy. Trust me, ignorance IS bliss in some subjects. I was very happy before drinking my milk all the time not knowing what was in that stuff. But I opened Pandora's Box and found out some nasty surprises. YUCK!!

Shut.....the....fuck....up.....lowly ginger and read above. lol

By the way, PETA would be a Vegan. I'm not a vegan. I like eating meat like everyone else. I'd just like not to have a heart attack or a stroke due to the high amounts of cholesterol and high acid levels so I choose not to eat it if it can be avoided. Diet is about making the right choices. :nutkick:

I agree with a lot of what Steve says actually. I just think it's ridiculous to attribute health problems on ONE aspect of someone's diet. Of course if you test some obese behemoths whose only physical activity is pressing the buttons on a remote is stuffed full of red meat and they develope problems then they blame red meat. They don't say, well the person was already in poor physical condition or the person never worked out, etc etc.

A friend of mine in college said "creatine doesn't work" when he only worked out twice a month and played Halo all day.

-Alex

"Nothing works unless YOU do."

We're trying to get to the same place, just taking different paths to get there is all.


That is one thing that drives me crazy about some people. When it comes to the subject of supplements. Some people spend a LOT of money taking this or that, tons of whey proteins, fat burners, pre-workouts, post workouts etc, but yet their diet isn't on point. You can't supplement a crap diet!! All of that stuff is just a complete waste unless you eat completely clean and put your body in a heavily overworked state. Even then a lot of the stuff on the market is questionable. But that is another subject.

Personally, I don't think anyone should take anything that your body makes naturally like creatine unless your body is constantly being overloaded with heavy work loads. Even then, something like creatine supplements should be cycled in and out of your system regularly. The body is a very adaptive machine. When you take in something naturally made like creatine, your body will adjust for it because the additional creatine being taken in and will stop making it. When you come off of it will throw things completely out of whack.

You're a regular 'ol Richard Simmons

LOL, yeah. Life has thrown me some curveballs the last year for sure and I've changed a lot. It's been long overdue for quite some time.

I don't drink milk. I really don't care for it that much so I don't have to worry about it. I've been eating more lean meats and a lot of chicken (hopefully pumped full of growth hormones). I like to lift weights and bulk up so I have to eat at least 150 mg of protein a day. That's hard to do at first, I should really have 200 but I haven't made it that far yet. Even to lose weight I eat that much protein to not lose muscle while cutting weight. Oh and I'm down 4 pounds, 2 pounds a week will work for me

I don't do pre-workout stuff or creatine. Most pre-workout supplements have a lot of caffeine in them and my body does not like it. Almost passed out at the gym on no exploded.

As for protein shakes I drink those but not to try and clean up my diet but more for a meal replacement since I am constantly on the road. It's just a simple efficient way to get some protein without being a pain in the ass. ( maybe around 3 or so, kind of my between lunch and dinner snack ) Also I do, do a post workout protein which is good for muscle recovery.

In my opinion you don't need to do that yet. Your body has plenty of reserves right now to repair itself. You just need to make sure you are thouroughly hydrated so what you eat can move through your system. That train of thought of taking in protein after a workout is a bodybuilding mentality for people who are already lean.

ROFL @ "(hopefully pumped full of growth hormones)."

And you mean 150 grams not milligrams lol but, yeah it is difficult to get that amount of protein from food in my line of work since I do the office thing. You can drink a protein shake while driving, you can't exactly do that with Boston Market half chicken, sweet potatoes and mixed veggies.

My scale claims that I lost two pounds since I started this new take on my diet. It's really difficult to tell it in the waist line though. My waist looks slightly smaller but, I can't tell if that is because I lost weight or because I am just not full like I normally am lol. I can still lift at the same consistency so I will keep this up for a few more weeks to see how it progresses.

-Alex