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Dominic Toretto 09-16-2013 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Rebelracer568 (Post 50283)
Unless your a pro stock driver lol. But yes sir your are correct most cars in that range are autos. Seldon you see a car that quick that's a manual

Only cars I see that do that are MK4 Supras. Which is weird because Getrag made those transmissions as well as the manual transmissions in our cars but in the Supras they can support 1,000rwhp without mods. Plenty of those guys running tons of power without transmission or rear ends breaking.

-Alex

DirtyD 09-16-2013 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto (Post 50286)
Only cars I see that do that are MK4 Supras. Which is weird because Getrag made those transmissions as well as the manual transmissions in our cars but in the Supras they can support 1,000rwhp without mods. Plenty of those guys running tons of power without transmission or rear ends breaking.

-Alex

As said many times before, the remote mount shifter on these trans is the retarded part. I've not known a 1000whp Supra to know have a built or slightly built trans though. Just no way I can see a factory production trans holding up to that in any vehicle.

Grandpa 09-16-2013 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Yagermeister (Post 50275)
I talked to the Cobra Jet engineers when I was at Watson Racing and they use a C3 prepared by Joel's on Joy a local race trans shop in MI. They chose it because of one main reason...quick access to replacement parts. When you are racing at the level the CJ's race on, you are generally checking/replacing/modifying parts on the car all the time and need quick access to parts. I'd venture to say most transmissions in 6-9sec cars (in the 1/4 mile) are autos of some sort due to consistency and needing two hands on the wheel :)

And also because they don't shock the tires anywhere near as hard as a manual car does allowing it to be much more settled going down the track.

Regardless, this conversation has gotten retarded. It only applies to the people building a purpose built, point and shoot track car. There are still a lot of people out there who still like rowing gears taking up the challenge to add the driver equation to the mix to get the car down the track.

Personally, I find driving a car like Brent's boring as hell to drive. It's just not my personal thing. While it puts up great numbers at the track, when driving a car like that it's pretty boring and uneventful. Set the air pressure, stage it, load the suspension, hit a good light and let it fly. Not much to it. No drivers skill to it after the light turns green, not much of a challenge at all. I prefer to row gears, improve my technique and being more connected to the car to enjoy the expierence.

Again, like I said before, we are doing the same things here, just going different ways about it. It all comes down to personal preference and how a car is going to be used. Auto/manual both have their positives and negatives.

re-rx7 09-16-2013 10:18 AM

The v160 in the supra def holds a 1000whp untouched.

Grandpa 09-16-2013 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyD (Post 50288)
As said many times before, the remote mount shifter on these trans is the retarded part. I've not known a 1000whp Supra to know have a built or slightly built trans though. Just no way I can see a factory production trans holding up to that in any vehicle.

Will had the stock one in his car making well over 1200rw powershifting the fuck out of it and it lived for much longer than ANY Ford/GM manual he's ever had. No one has killed more transmissions than him. I think his last count was around 30 T56's alone.

Dominic Toretto 09-16-2013 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyD (Post 50288)
As said many times before, the remote mount shifter on these trans is the retarded part. I've not known a 1000whp Supra to know have a built or slightly built trans though. Just no way I can see a factory production trans holding up to that in any vehicle.

Over 30 passes in the 8s with this driver. Shows the transmission break on one run though. Not bad I would think and the car was driven and raced since 2008.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwuMIZ4Y_AU

-Alex

DirtyD 09-16-2013 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by re-rx7 (Post 50293)
The v160 in the supra def holds a 1000whp untouched.

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Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 50294)
Will had the stock one in his car making well over 1200rw powershifting the fuck out of it and it lived for much longer than ANY Ford/GM manual he's ever had. No one has killed more transmissions than him. I think his last count was around 30 T56's alone.

Good to know. I didn't realize they were THAT strong. Very impressive.

Just proves that Getrag doesn't build entirely crap transmissions. Hell, it may have been a Ford design with this trans they had Getrag build, without any consultation work.

Dominic Toretto 09-16-2013 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyD (Post 50296)
Good to know. I didn't realize they were THAT strong. Very impressive.

Just proves that Getrag doesn't build entirely crap transmissions. Hell, it may have been a Ford design with this trans they had Getrag build, without any consultation work.

Yup. But I did a quick Wikipedia of Getrag. I think the V160 was built in Germany but, from what I gather, Getrag is building transmissions(almost all of them) out of China now. Not trying to thread jack.

-Alex

Grandpa 09-16-2013 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyD (Post 50296)
Just proves that Getrag doesn't build entirely crap transmissions. Hell, it may have been a Ford design with this trans they had Getrag build, without any consultation work.

It comes down to budget approval on parts. It may very well be a Getrag design, but it's only as good as the parts Ford will give the okay on with the internals. Ford still views the Mustang GT as the entry level sports/passenger vehicle. Most people who buy them, don't mod them to the hilt like us in the hobby therfor there is no need for a "built" trans in a mass production Mustang.

Toyota on the other hand has a reputation for over building on their sports cars. They view cars coming back to the dealership for service work as a loss. American car companies just see it as everyday business.

Rebelracer568 09-16-2013 10:34 AM

Steve your point is perfect. Autos are boring to drive. But produce awesome track numbers. Me I personally love shifting even with this pos we have in the car.

Dominic Toretto 09-16-2013 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Rebelracer568 (Post 50300)
Steve your point is perfect. Autos are boring to drive. But produce awesome track numbers. Me I personally love shifting even with this pos we have in the car.

I have a ton of friends that would agree with you and wonder why I got an auto lol.

-Alex

Grandpa 09-16-2013 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto (Post 50303)
I have a ton of friends that would agree with you and wonder why I got an auto lol.

-Alex

There is nothing wrong with having an auto. It comes down to personal preference is all. I understand why some owners like/want a stalled auto car for the track. Very easy to run a number with, a monkey could drive one and I don't mean that as a bad thing. It takes the human error out of the equation, I get it. But it also takes the fun factor out of it for me. I like more than going to the track. I really like the twisty country backroads and rowing through the gears feeling connected to the car. Ever tried driving an auto through the backroads? It's annoying as fuck with a transmission that is confused most of the time trying to predict what the driver wants from it that changes every few seconds.

DirtyD 09-16-2013 10:52 AM

If I lived and work anywhere around Dallas, I honestly would've probably bought an auto strictly because of the suck ass traffic anywhere south of 380, east of PGBT, and west of Rockwall...

Dominic Toretto 09-16-2013 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 50308)
There is nothing wrong with having an auto. It comes down to personal preference is all. I understand why some owners like/want a stalled auto car for the track. Very easy to run a number with, a monkey could drive one and I don't mean that as a bad thing. It takes the human error out of the equation, I get it. But it also takes the fun factor out of it for me. I like more than going to the track. I really like the twisty country backroads and rowing through the gears feeling connected to the car. Ever tried driving an auto through the backroads? It's annoying as fuck with a transmission that is confused most of the time trying to predict what the driver wants from it that changes every few seconds.

It's all good, I get why anyone would go either route.

-Alex

kdanner 09-16-2013 12:34 PM

"C3" is code for the Reid cased TH400 in the 2014. "C2" is the Reid cased PG available in the 5.4 cars. All 2013 were C4, some of the prior year 5.4 cars were too. The fastest ones are sticks, just like in any other form of drag racing.


DirtyD 09-16-2013 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kdanner (Post 50343)
"C3" is code for the Reid cased TH400 in the 2014. "C2" is the Reid cased PG available in the 5.4 cars. All 2013 were C4, some of the prior year 5.4 cars were too. That fastest ones are sticks, just like in any other form of drag racing.


Those tires look A LOT bigger than what they come with from Ford...

33x13.5?

kdanner 09-16-2013 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyD (Post 50344)
Those tires look A LOT bigger than what they come with from Ford...

33x13.5?

Right. They come with 30x9 which is the max size stock eliminator tire, the cars come set up for stock eliminator. But, the 4.0 blower engine combo for both the CJ and COPO is only allowed in Super Stock, so those cars need the chassis work to put them in a Super Stock configuration where the max allowed tire is 14x32.

DirtyD 09-16-2013 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kdanner (Post 50348)
Right. They come with 30x9 which is the max size stock eliminator tire, the cars come set up for stock eliminator. But, the 4.0 blower engine combo for both the CJ and COPO is only allowed in Super Stock, so those cars need the chassis work to put them in a Super Stock configuration where the max allowed tire is 14x32.

That was just a lucky guess. :lol:

Rebelracer568 09-16-2013 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kdanner (Post 50343)
"C3" is code for the Reid cased TH400 in the 2014. "C2" is the Reid cased PG available in the 5.4 cars. All 2013 were C4, some of the prior year 5.4 cars were too. The fastest ones are sticks, just like in any other form of drag racing.


Yea car is sweet. Has same style tranny as the pro stock cars. Liberty 5 speed clutchless tranny. Thats awesome to see.

Yagermeister 09-16-2013 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BLK2012GT (Post 50188)
Dick it hasn't been to TS since I switch back to e85.

So the e85 is working great for you LIKE WE ALL TOLD YOU??

:love51:

Oxford14Stang 09-16-2013 08:37 PM

:wtg:
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Originally Posted by Yagermeister (Post 50464)
So the e85 is working great for you LIKE WE ALL TOLD YOU??

:love51:

Brent are you e85?

Yagermeister 09-16-2013 09:05 PM

I was in Feb/Mar but while testing "street" converters Circle D wanted me on gas to be more street like. Now that I have a "race" converter I am switching back...Wed or Thurs of this week :)

wbt 09-17-2013 12:16 PM

No need for this info.

Yagermeister 09-17-2013 12:55 PM

wbt, you are 100% correct! Chris at Circle D wanted me to have as close to a street car as possible at the time. E85 generally isn't used in a street car so he had asked if I could use pump gas for the first couple of tests. If the testing was successful and we went to market touting a street converter but all the test data was with a car on e85 some people would claim misleading testing was done to get the numbers.

With all that being said, with the ability to lock the converter, the converters (even the race one) drive like stock once you tune them. (I only have first gear to tune right now to tune out the slight mushiness and I'll be all set.) I got 25.2 mpg from Dallas to Detroit and back with the 4500 stall!

wbt 09-17-2013 01:44 PM

No need for this info.


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