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Dominic Toretto 08-29-2013 07:15 PM

Intake for a Non-tuned Car
 
I plan on keeping my car untuned and thus, stock power-wise, until the warranty expires. This car is my daily and I don't care for a tone of mods right now. It's more than enough fun as is. So with that being said, I would like to add an intake to compliment my axle-back and wondering what versions do you all recommend for a non-tuned car. Thanks in advance :)

-Alex

ochoblanco 08-29-2013 07:28 PM

Air raid is pretty nice. Has an insert to stay untuned. Relive the insert and tune it when you want later on.

Dominic Toretto 08-29-2013 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ochoblanco (Post 47524)
Air raid is pretty nice. Has an insert to stay untuned. Relive the insert and tune it when you want later on.

Cool, thanks man.

-Alex

DirtyD 08-29-2013 09:27 PM

Get the air raid.

Dan12GT 08-30-2013 06:23 PM

I have the Airaid CAI. Love it. i'll be removing the insert later one when I do my cat deletes and tune it.

JDBishopArts 08-30-2013 07:12 PM

Keep the stock box.

Midnight11 08-30-2013 07:38 PM

doing a non tuned intake is pointless

BLK2012GT 08-30-2013 08:55 PM

Keep the stock box

ochoblanco 08-30-2013 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Midnight11 (Post 47668)
doing a non tuned intake is pointless

Unless it can easily convert to a tune required version...

Rebelracer568 08-30-2013 09:53 PM

Stock air box or a c&l with insert.

re-rx7 08-30-2013 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDBishopArts (Post 47667)
Keep the stock box.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midnight11 (Post 47668)
doing a non tuned intake is pointless

Quote:

Originally Posted by BLK2012GT (Post 47677)
Keep the stock box

All these answers are correct.

Pepperinyoureye 08-30-2013 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midnight11 (Post 47668)
doing a non tuned intake is pointless

Truth. Ran a K&N carbon fiber closed box with no tune for a while and there is no gain whatsoever. All the gains are in the tune.

Dominic Toretto 08-30-2013 10:59 PM

Not necessarily looking for a gain in horsepower but, wouldn't an aftermarket intake breathe better than stock regardless if there is a tune?

-Alex

JDMLOL 08-30-2013 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto (Post 47694)
Not necessarily looking for a gain in horsepower but, wouldn't an aftermarket intake breathe better than stock regardless if there is a tune?

-Alex

If it didn't yield better power how could it be breathing any better?

DirtyD 08-30-2013 11:04 PM

Only purchase an intake that can be used at both tuned and non-tuned. Only way to do it. Either the C&L or airraid.

I too ran a K&N, and ditched it because it was useless with a tune, and maybe have me a few ponies up top because I did feel the upper RPMs were a little more potent.

Dominic Toretto 08-30-2013 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDMLOL (Post 47695)
If it didn't yield better power how could it be breathing any better?

Simply increasing the amount of air the engine is taking in won't increase the power. To increase power you have to maximize the efficiency of the air AND the fuel. You do that by tuning. Also you can have a car that makes a ton of power and it be with a crappy tune. Reference downtime!s recent thread.

-Alex

JDMLOL 08-30-2013 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto (Post 47699)
Simply increasing the amount of air the engine is taking in won't increase the power. To increase power you have to maximize the efficiency of the air AND the fuel. You do that by tuning. Also you can have a car that makes a ton of power and it be with a crappy tune. Reference downtime!s recent thread.

-Alex

I thought more air being moved meant better power?

Dominic Toretto 08-30-2013 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDMLOL (Post 47700)
I thought more air being moved meant better power?

If you're compensating with the proportionate amount of fuel and spark to combust it all efficiently then yes. Otherwise running too much air(lean) or fuel(rich) can be detrimental.

-Alex

Pepperinyoureye 09-01-2013 08:56 AM

Not to mention the factory intake with a K&N filter is going to do about the same as an aftermarket intake... It's a pretty damn good air box for being OEM.

GunsUp 09-01-2013 01:00 PM

Keep the stock box

re-rx7 09-01-2013 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pepperinyoureye (Post 47852)
Not to mention the factory intake with a K&N filter is going to do about the same as an aftermarket intake... It's a pretty damn good air box for being OEM.

The only problem on the factory intake is not the box. Its the silence box and the diameter in the tube.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GunsUp (Post 47885)
Keep the stock box

Depends.

JDBishopArts 09-01-2013 02:27 PM

Keep stock box till you want to go with a tune. Just do it.

wbt 09-01-2013 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by re-rx7 (Post 47890)
The only problem on the factory intake is not the box. Its the silence box and the diameter in the tube.



Depends.

We did back-to-back testing at the track between the JLT and stock airbox using the same tune sans the MAF transfer function. The difference in times:

.06

That falls within the margin of error. There are no real performance gains to be had running an aftermarket CAI. Run one for looks/sound only.

Dominic Toretto 09-01-2013 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wbt (Post 47949)
We did back-to-back testing at the track between the JLT and stock airbox using the same tune sans the MAF transfer function. The difference in times:

.06

That falls within the margin of error. There are no real performance gains to be had running an aftermarket CAI. Run one for looks/sound only.

So then an aftermarket CAI has no better effect on the engine's potential cfm as the stock intake?

-Alex

wbt 09-01-2013 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto (Post 47969)
So then an aftermarket CAI has no better effect on the engine's potential cfm as the stock intake?

-Alex

The stock CAI flows enough air that it isn't a restriction. Ford did their homework.

Dominic Toretto 09-01-2013 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wbt (Post 47973)
The stock CAI flows enough air that it isn't a restriction. Ford did their homework.

Very impressive! Thanks.

-Alex


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