400 ft lb at N/A
 

I was looking at some car magazines the other day and noticed that a lot of the new 5.0's, even with modifications don't break 400 ft lb of tq at the tire. Then I started looking at peoples signatures, and the same seems to be true. Not saying there are none, but it doesn't seem to be common.

I'm talking about a basic bolt on car, also. Headers, CAI, tune, etc.

I think the tune is where the main difference is.

My car put down 404 ft lb at True Street's dyno then almost cracked it on Brooks' Dyno with 399 ft lb.

Is this even worth discussing? Or am I just way off base and out of touch with reality.

Most have the boss intake on that's why

Boss intake kills the tq. You can do an aftermarket TB and porting of the boss intake runners to pick the tq loss back up.

and that's what i figured was the culprit.

but now lets look at this, and Midnight11 I will use your car for comparison as you have all your mods and hp/tq numbers in your sig.

Your car (assuming the numbers are current) makes 19 more peak hp than my car, but my car makes 28 more peak tq.

Our cars are daily driven street cars, not race cars. I would think as heavy as our cars are that torque would be sought after.

I don't post on here much so I don't know how sensitive folks are, so let me re-iterate this is not an attack on Midnight11's car, I was just using it for illustration purposes.

Dude attack away. You can say it his car is a slow turd. Lol

But the gearing in the tranny makes up for that especially in first gear. When I did that I made almost the same numbers the car stilled launch pretty hard plus I was able to rev the engine 700 rpms higher for more horsepower where the stock manifold starts dropping off around 6800 rpms.

I don't daily my car and these cars are slow unless its boosted

My car with just a Lethal Hpipe, gt500's and a tune makes 412rw/416rwtq. Stock intake/airbox.

Agreed.

Ok Steve. Smh

Not this shit again.

I agree, even with nitrous and ported heads these cars move slow.

PS, Only the E85 cars are fast.

Hell boosted cars don't move at all.

Fixed.


Jeff, we just have different opinions on what is fast. No need to troll with it.

Yea, cause you don't even own is consider fast. People with 70k dollars plus cars with 30k plus into it and you rode in them is fast. Man anything with 700 rwhp is fast.

That's your opinion, I disagree.

My junk is slow and always will be. I'm okay with it. lol

Your junk is slow cause its basically stock. I said 700 rwhp plus is fast. And god damnit why do you have to derail every thread.

I disagree.

What needs to be lower for you?:happy175:

You have an accountability issue there, Jeff. I believe you started the derailment with the top two posts and David came along fueling it.



Back on topic -


Yes, 400tq is very common. I think it really depends on what kind of dyno you were on. Some are more generous than others.

Yeah I said after you and Nic. Do you have selective reading?

I posted my numbers and agreed with Nic. You just don't like my opinion. That is fine, get over it and let the thread go on.

And when I post something you guys always post something afterwards. So do what you preach.

It's hard to compare dyno numbers between cars unless they were both dynoed on the same day, and dyno, with as close to the same exact weather as possible, and the dyno tech hit the trigger at the exact right moment on both cars.

Just too many factors to come into play. (You like this post don't you Steve? Lol)

It also depends on how the TQ values are determined. A calculated TQ value done from the load on the dyno (like Brooks') may be way off from one calculated by RPM sensor and such like TS does.

Car 1 and Car 2 weigh the same, have the same gearing, same tires, and twin brothers driving.

Car 1 makes 400tq at 2500rpm and 400hp at 6500

Car 2 makes 375tq at 2500rpm and 425hp at 6500

Car 2 wins the race every time, assuming the driver knows that you don't let the engine drop to 2500rpm during a race.

Are we talking about a dog or roll race? LOL

I get what your saying. But my car was was within 5-6 hp and 5 ft lb on Brooks' dyno on a hotter day, so I would consider that an accurate measure. I understand the variation between weather and dynos and what not and that of course, makes sense.

my thing is I believe a street car that makes 30 ft lb across the board will be faster than a car that makes 20 or so at the very top of the tach.

Wtf? Damn you guys know how to derail a thread. Lmao and by the way car two would win from a roll or dig.

I have over 400 tq

So do I even with the boss intake.

TQ decreases after the max RPM as you transition to having HP move the car. If you have enough HP and a long enough road, a low TQ car could catch and pass a high TQ car, of course that is a very sketchy example. I may get bombed for it, but oh well.

LOL, I'm rub my wiener all over it.

Obviously the power under the curve is far more important than peak power but you know this.

There is an interesting conversation taking place on SVTP about something like this with the Paxton vs TVS type powerbands.

Here is my dyno sheet.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...coy82/dyno.jpg

Looks like Nics and Steve's.

Those are my inflated numbers.

My old setup would cost about 25-30 grand to replicate, not including the car... It would have pissed you off badly on your setup with juice, and it was built in the 90s.

You talk like Steve and other folks on here haven't been doing this shit for decades man. :whymewhyme:

I took it apart in 2007 because I myself thought it was slow, and I was bored with it... there weren't many cars around then that were "fast" compared to today... If you dont make 700+ rw today, it's considered stock.

I love the big talk by all the people saying everything under 1k hp is slow... And yet most everyone on here has less than half that. Want slow? Drive my Colorado, that is slow, my wifes edge that is slow. But I'm sorry anything with 400hp is fast. Is it the fastest, by no means it is but when you are faster than 90% of cars on the road then you are fast. The shit yall talk about and claim are the only fast cars are considered retarded fast. So quit with the high and mighty nothing is fast bull

My sex game is fast.

I had my 15 in wheels on that day

Give it to them, Ryan. :nutkick:

My car is the fastest vehicle I've ever owned, fastest I've ever ridden in, and fastest I've ever drove. That is good enough for me until I actually get to drive or ride in something faster.