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KnightRider5.0 03-20-2014 02:46 PM

400 Bone Stock Bitches, well with a tune from CTP hell ya
 
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Hey guys, I know it's not a huge thing but I'm impressed I pulled all my aftermarket parts off to get my car ready to sell in a few months. Well I decided to have CTP retune the car just so it would still be fun to drive, stock tune sucks we all know this. Anyways Jeff retuned the car and corrected she made 401 hp 391 tq. Which is funny and pissed me off cuz with a boss intake, roush CAI, BBK x pipe, lethal over the axle pipes and roush ABs I only made 12 more HP. WtF right but I'm proud of my baby for still making 401 with just a K&N drop in, I'm running mobile 1 full syn, and royal purple tranny fluid. Only mods are upgraded clutch line and catch cans. Anyways here's my dynos all done by CTP

With bolt ons before tune
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With bolt ons after tune
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Bone stock (now)
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DirtyD 03-20-2014 03:08 PM

What tune did you have before?

(Derek from Facebook here)

BERT 03-20-2014 03:09 PM

I bet that Boss intake was hurting you.

KnightRider5.0 03-20-2014 03:13 PM

Before CTP ever tuned it it was just a FRPP race tune to run the boss IM

DirtyD 03-20-2014 03:56 PM

Yeah, I'm betting it was hurting bad, and wasn't setup for the other things. Why didn't you run the Boss IM before tune dyno run past 7k RPM?

KnightRider5.0 03-20-2014 04:02 PM

Cuz fords tune kept the stock redline for "Safery"

DirtyD 03-20-2014 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by KnightRider5.0 (Post 67300)
Cuz fords tune kept the stock redline for "Safery"

Dumb. lol

downtime! 03-20-2014 07:31 PM

Not too surprising really. The stock airbox and exhaust are incredibly efficient on these cars. Mine made 410 with the canned VMP tune through the stock airbox and with the PypeBombs installed. Same setup I'm running again.

five.slow 03-21-2014 05:50 PM

all you really gotta do to make over 420 on a mt82 car is delete the cats and get a tune... 401 with a tune isnt all that, sorry man its normal. tune with off road h and flowmasters made 426 on my old car. gained like 3hp with the jlt.

garner 03-21-2014 05:59 PM

Nice numbers!

Think I've seen your car around Ctc

Dan12GT 03-21-2014 09:30 PM

I've honestly thought about switching back to the stock air box while still being on the stock tune and all. Also curious what REAL gains the CAI actually makes.

downtime! 03-21-2014 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan12GT (Post 67459)
I've honestly thought about switching back to the stock air box while still being on the stock tune and all. Also curious what REAL gains the CAI actually makes.

The tube itself? Next to nothing actually. 95% of the power comes from the tune.

re-rx7 03-21-2014 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan12GT (Post 67459)
I've honestly thought about switching back to the stock air box while still being on the stock tune and all. Also curious what REAL gains the CAI actually makes.

In the summertime. THe stock box will out perform the CAI.

Dan12GT 03-21-2014 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by downtime! (Post 67462)
The tube itself? Next to nothing actually. 95% of the power comes from the tune.


But it makes neato swooshing noises! :)

downtime! 03-22-2014 12:00 AM

I went right back to my old Vette killing ways as soon as the blower was off. Had a yellow C6 want to play literally less than 5 minutes after starting her up for the first time sans blower. Left him in the dust. Car is still fun to drive!

Zeek 03-22-2014 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by downtime! (Post 67467)
I went right back to my old Vette killing ways as soon as the blower was off. Had a yellow C6 want to play literally less than 5 minutes after starting her up for the first time sans blower. Left him in the dust. Car is still fun to drive!

The C6 you raced must have been retarded......(Driver)

downtime! 03-22-2014 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeek (Post 67470)
The C6 you raced must have been retarded......(Driver)

I've never lost to a C6. You must have a slow 5.0.

Zeek 03-22-2014 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by downtime! (Post 67475)
I've never lost to a C6. You must have a slow 5.0.

Actually I have a C6 and would walk just about all the 5.0s on this board.

DirtyD 03-22-2014 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by five.slow (Post 67454)
all you really gotta do to make over 420 on a mt82 car is delete the cats and get a tune... 401 with a tune isnt all that, sorry man its normal. tune with off road h and flowmasters made 426 on my old car. gained like 3hp with the jlt.


426 needs a little more than that, if you aren't on a happy dyno in 45-50° weather

downtime! 03-22-2014 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeek (Post 67476)
Actually I have a C6 and would walk just about all the 5.0s on this board.

I know of several that would show you nothing but tail lights. Try Darkpony if you want. His car is now what my car was. As soon as they finish the tuning he can show what a fast car really is.

downtime! 03-22-2014 04:10 PM

And if that doesn't work, I can try to accommodate you in the '72. It's just a slow old carb'd car.

re-rx7 03-22-2014 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by downtime! (Post 67493)
I know of several that would show you nothing but tail lights. Try Darkpony if you want. His car is now what my car was. As soon as they finish the tuning he can show what a fast car really is.

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Originally Posted by downtime! (Post 67494)
And if that doesn't work, I can try to accommodate you in the '72. It's just a slow old carb'd car.

Downtime is in the mood to run.....:hands:

I ran a c6 and put the hurt on him. You make in the 500's zeek. That is not beast mode.

Zeek 03-22-2014 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by re-rx7 (Post 67496)
Downtime is in the mood to run.....:hands:

I ran a c6 and put the hurt on him. You make in the 500's zeek. That is not beast mode.

No its not beast mode. But it will give most blower 5.0s a good run.

Grandpa 03-22-2014 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeek (Post 67510)
No its not beast mode. But it will give most blower 5.0s a good run.

LOL, absolutely. A Mustang needs about 150rw more than whatever the Vette is to overcome the weight, aero and gearing differences. A 500rw Vette will eat a blown 600rw Stang's lunch.

re-rx7 03-22-2014 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 67522)
LOL, absolutely. A Mustang needs about 150rw more than whatever the Vette is to overcome the weight, aero and gearing differences. A 500rw Vette will eat a blown 600rw Stang's lunch.

Not in the qtr. I see stock shelbys taking down modded Zo's. By this logic you would need 500 whp to play with stock vettes..

Zeek 03-22-2014 10:37 PM

I'm not talking about the 1/4. TBH id be terrible at the drag strip. I've only been a couple times and never with the vette. It don't help at the have all season tires on. But for comparison with my same setup Vic went like 10.30 at 132 or something close to that.

downtime! 03-22-2014 10:56 PM

LOL! Really? I guess I need to give several people their money back then. Damn near paid for all the mods done to mine from Believers in The Plastic Fantastic.

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Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 67522)
LOL, absolutely. A Mustang needs about 150rw more than whatever the Vette is to overcome the weight, aero and gearing differences. A 500rw Vette will eat a blown 600rw Stang's lunch.


Grandpa 03-22-2014 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by re-rx7 (Post 67523)
Not in the qtr. I see stock shelbys taking down modded Zo's. By this logic you would need 500 whp to play with stock vettes..

I'm referring to on the street.

kdanner 03-23-2014 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeek (Post 67531)
I'm not talking about the 1/4. TBH id be terrible at the drag strip. I've only been a couple times and never with the vette. It don't help at the have all season tires on. But for comparison with my same setup Vic went like 10.30 at 132 or something close to that.

Lightweight car like that with that many cubic inches even has to have the cam changed to run numbers like that? Wow, that's sorry. :troll3:

STROKD 03-24-2014 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 67522)
LOL, absolutely. A Mustang needs about 150rw more than whatever the Vette is to overcome the weight, aero and gearing differences. A 500rw Vette will eat a blown 600rw Stang's lunch.

Exactly... I had a similar setup to zeek, and i smoked 2 5.0s with bolt ons and 150 shots... I was on my nitrous tune with the bottle off making around 475 rw. my car on the bottle was nasty (trapped 143+)..

People that havent raced a well setup vette, just dont know. Zeek's c6 will prison rape that dart from a roll, and that darkside pony when on the jug. :headbang:

Zeek 03-24-2014 01:01 AM

What's Darkpony's build anyways?

STROKD 03-24-2014 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeek (Post 67581)
What's Darkpony's build anyways?

Downtime said darkpony would be similar to his... which was a kennebell trapping mid 30s... if u do t trap over 140 on the spray Ill be confused since we had nearly identical builds.

Zeek 03-24-2014 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by STROKD (Post 67594)
Downtime said darkpony would be similar to his... which was a kennebell trapping mid 30s... if u do t trap over 140 on the spray Ill be confused since we had nearly identical builds.

If he traps 135 i think I'd still beat him in a roll race. Without the bottle.

re-rx7 03-24-2014 01:40 PM

Yup with stock heads and cams lol.

re-rx7 03-24-2014 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeek (Post 67601)
If he traps 135 i think I'd still beat him in a roll race. Without the bottle.

Shit. Get a shelby bolt ons, radials, 9's. Fuck. What makes the vette fast isn't the engine. It's the weight and aero. The coyote motor na is way more efficient then the Ls3 motor.

Zeek 03-24-2014 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by re-rx7 (Post 67603)
Shit. Get a shelby bolt ons, radials, 9's. Fuck. What makes the vette fast isn't the engine. It's the weight and aero. The coyote motor na is way more efficient then the Ls3 motor.

Not quite sure on that. With Bolton's and cam with stock heads I'm putting 500 down. 5.0s with all 4 cams put what down maybe 450? And besides that the ls3 has way more torque. And the ls3 is 7 years old? The 5.0 is 3 I'd hope they would have cought up in 5 years.

re-rx7 03-24-2014 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeek (Post 67626)
Not quite sure on that. With Bolton's and cam with stock heads I'm putting 500 down. 5.0s with all 4 cams put what down maybe 450? And besides that the ls3 has way more torque. And the ls3 is 7 years old? The 5.0 is 3 I'd hope they would have cought up in 5 years.

Ford is considered the inferior engine and they put down more hp per cubic inch. The only reason your car is faster then a mustang with same power is weight and aero. That simple. Case in point the new camaro with same engine is slow as balls.

5.0's with cams and boltons are appraoching 500 wheel if not more. The Trinity makes more hp then the SC 6.2 and a smaller engine. Yea superior my ass.

kdanner 03-24-2014 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeek (Post 67601)
If he traps 135 i think I'd still beat him in a roll race. Without the bottle.

I think you probably way oversimplify things, but let's see. So you putting down your 500, without your bottle, can you pull a ZR-1?

Grandpa 03-24-2014 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by re-rx7 (Post 67627)
Ford is considered the inferior engine and they put down more hp per cubic inch. The only reason your car is faster then a mustang with same power is weight and aero. That simple. Case in point the new camaro with same engine is slow as balls.

5.0's with cams and boltons are appraoching 500 wheel if not more. The Trinity makes more hp then the SC 6.2 and a smaller engine. Yea superior my ass.

In my opinion, the whole argument is null and void when it comes to modified vehicles. The only fair way to compare cars is in stock form, which most of us don't leave our cars stock.

You can make your point saying that the 5.0 is the better engine saying it's more efficient making more power vs displacement and you might be right with your opinion but it's doesn't change the fact that a 600rw Stang is going to get beat by 500rw Vette.

Bench or calculator racing doesn't always work. With comparable cars you can ballpark it I guess, but it's far from accurate.

As far as the street scene goes and racing, a 5.0 has to overcome a lot to make up for the weight and gearing difference of the Vette putting it at a serious disadvantage.

These Coyotes can be very fast, but in order to do so an owner has to be willing to throw quite of money at it in order to be competitive with everything in the parking lot at a meet. Otherwise it's best to stick to racing stuff like Camaros, Challengers and a few imports.

re-rx7 03-24-2014 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 67633)
In my opinion, the whole argument is null and void when it comes to modified vehicles. The only fair way to compare cars is in stock form, which most of us don't leave our cars stock.

You can make your point saying that the 5.0 is the better engine saying it's more efficient making more power vs displacement and you might be right with your opinion but it's doesn't change the fact that a 600rw Stang is going to get beat by 500rw Vette.

Bench or calculator racing doesn't always work. With comparable cars you can ballpark it I guess, but it's far from accurate.

As far as the street scene goes and racing, a 5.0 has to overcome a lot to make up for the weight and gearing difference of the Vette putting it at a serious disadvantage.

These Coyotes can be very fast, but in order to do so an owner has to be willing to throw quite of money at it in order to be competitive with everything in the parking lot at a meet. Otherwise it's best to stick to racing stuff like Camaros, Challengers and a few imports.

This is true. Mustang were never the vette comp. People just see it that way since most camros and challngers dont have a snowballs chance in hell. The camaro and stanf are on even fields weight and aero wise. Now the new stang is damn near the weight of the C7.


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