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Dominic Toretto 06-21-2013 11:44 AM

Any Weight Trainers/Body Builders on Here?
 
Maybe we can get a sticky thread going for those that are into physical wellness in general. Anyway, I do like to work out and stay healthy. I have however, hit a plateau and trying to over come that. I bought some creatine powder yesterday to begin incorporating into my training sessions. Anyone use this before and what results have you noticed if you have?

-Alex

5PointSlow 06-21-2013 11:50 AM

I usually take a pre workout with creatine in it, but i dont take creatine by itself. Its really only good for "balloning" your muscles with water. They look bigger but your no stronger.

I do a pre, a BCAA filled intra workout and then protein after.

Dominic Toretto 06-21-2013 12:17 PM

I've noticed that most supplements have a creatine incorporated in them also. I wasn't sure if taking it seperately would yield "better" results.

-Alex

White_lightning 06-21-2013 12:36 PM

i'm Fat.. but i like to work out.. im not really a body builder... I just like to try to move some weight.. does that count?

that being said.. creatine is bullshit.. all it does is make you retain intermuscular water and bloat you.

Dominic Toretto 06-21-2013 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by White_lightning (Post 35791)
i'm Fat.. but i like to work out.. im not really a body builder... I just like to try to move some weight.. does that count?

that being said.. creatine is bullshit.. all it does is make you retain intermuscular water and bloat you.

Yes that counts lol. Well I see some pretty stout-looking guys taking creatine and moving some massive amount of weights. Normally I would assume that they are on the roids but, IDK why they would spend money if it didn't work. That's just my take on it.

On a side note, I did notice the Nitric Oxide works pretty well.

-Alex

03MachMe 06-21-2013 02:51 PM

I work out from time to time but mostly like to play any sport for a workout. Ran track for UNT my freshman year so i'm more into being in shape than body building. with saying that I am far from where I used to be but hopefully can get back there, just need some motivation.

White_lightning 06-21-2013 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto (Post 35809)
Yes that counts lol. Well I see some pretty stout-looking guys taking creatine and moving some massive amount of weights. Normally I would assume that they are on the roids but, IDK why they would spend money if it didn't work. That's just my take on it.

On a side note, I did notice the Nitric Oxide works pretty well.

-Alex

taking a bunch of shit and moving weight is mutually exclusive... i have moved some above average weight on the bench and all i was taking was vit C and glutamine.. does that mean that they made me do it? if i was eating 4lbs of creatine a day i would have still done it.

Dominic Toretto 06-21-2013 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by White_lightning (Post 35811)
taking a bunch of shit and moving weight is mutually exclusive... i have moved some above average weight on the bench and all i was taking was vit C and glutamine.. does that mean that they made me do it? if i was eating 4lbs of creatine a day i would have still done it.

I believe their is some science to the diet/performance ratio. I seriously doubt the same person could operate equally in the gym if his diet was binge drinking 5 days a week versus having a well-balanced nutritious diet. It's not to say that something made you do it, versus something assisting with increased muscle mass building to increase your limits wouldn't you agree?

-Alex

White_lightning 06-21-2013 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto (Post 35814)
I believe their is some science to the diet/performance ratio. I seriously doubt the same person could operate equally in the gym if his diet was binge drinking 5 days a week versus having a well-balanced nutritious diet. It's not to say that something made you do it, versus something assisting with increased muscle mass building to increase your limits wouldn't you agree?

-Alex

diet? i agree 100%.. but there is no clinical proof on most of the suppliments on the market.. there is no regulatory board or standard and none if it is FDA tested/approved. all the " independent studys" are mostly bullshit.

their title says what they are . " Suppliments".. for the most part if you eat a decently balanced diet and maybe throw in some basics like a multi vitamin and glutamine just to add for recovery you should be good..

diet 100% makes a difference.. but like i said.. 99% of the suppliments sold are junk.

Dominic Toretto 06-21-2013 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by White_lightning (Post 35823)
99% of the suppliments sold are junk.

Could you elaborate please? Not sure what supplements you are talking about specifically. Proteins, NOX, energy boosters, stuff for recovery. From what I gather most of those products just take natural ingredients and concentrate them.

I would definitely say I have seen a noticeable increase using protein shakes and notice a greater pump using Nitric Oxide. They aren't placebos.

-Alex

BLK2012GT 06-21-2013 04:58 PM

I workout my right arm drinking arm all the time.:troll3:

White_lightning 06-21-2013 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto (Post 35829)
Could you elaborate please? Not sure what supplements you are talking about specifically. Proteins, NOX, energy boosters, stuff for recovery. From what I gather most of those products just take natural ingredients and concentrate them.

I would definitely say I have seen a noticeable increase using protein shakes and notice a greater pump using Nitric Oxide. They aren't placebos.

-Alex

If you ate more protein.. You wouldnt need a shake..

The nox stuff is a vascular constrictor from what i remember.. I might be wrong.. But none of that stuff is fda tested or approved.. Supplement companies are not regulated and can make any claims they want. Im sure aome of it work... But people often expect miracles.

Dominic Toretto 06-21-2013 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by White_lightning (Post 35832)
If you ate more protein.. You wouldnt need a shake..

The nox stuff is a vascular constrictor from what i remember.. I might be wrong.. But none of that stuff is fda tested or approved.. Supplement companies are not regulated and can make any claims they want. Im sure aome of it work... But people often expect miracles.

I 100% agree with your post.

The NOX dialates your blood vessels to allow more blood flow. Yes if I ate more I wouldn't need protein shakes but, let's be real. How easy is it to eat a Boston Market half chicken meal while driving compared to drinking a protein shake? Absolutely people expect miracles. I on the other hand just want to get some people's actual claims since the tests are you said and I agree are not proven. It would be very difficult to standardize a test like that.

I have a desk job so I have to rely on protein shakes to supplement what I can't eat throughout the day. I had all sorts of evil eyes on me today trying to conceal Ghenghis Grill in my desk lol.

-Alex

Blackout 06-21-2013 08:01 PM

I just started again after some injuries I had. OG_Fox will also now bre workinf out as well

PLASMAN 06-21-2013 08:31 PM

Where's Mitch isnt he a body builder subject expert?

5PointSlow 06-21-2013 09:04 PM

The hardest part for most people is the diet. You CANNOT out train a bad diet. Ive gained a few lbs of fat and bloating just from eating shitty and drinking the last couple days. not to mention i havent worked out since monday due to the new tat on my upper arm i got on tues lol

Grandpa 06-22-2013 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by White_lightning (Post 35823)
99% of the suppliments sold are junk.

I agree. To add to that 95% of people's diet aren't clean enough to take advantage of them anyways. "Supplements" are just that, a supplement to proper training and clean diet. In cases of creatine, its a chemical your body makes naturally. If you take it for any sustained amount of time, it will throw off your systems balance, your body will quit making it then it throws everything off. Plus, the moment you stop taking it, you lose any sort of benefit from it and can have an adverse reaction.

Want to aid your training? Work hard and eat clean.

BLK2012GT 06-22-2013 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve (Post 35866)
I agree. To add to that 95% of people's diet aren't clean enough to take advantage of them anyways. "Supplements" are just that, a supplement to proper training and clean diet. In cases of creatine, its a chemical your body makes naturally. If you take it for any sustained amount of time, it will throw off your systems balance, your body will quit making it then it throws everything off. Plus, the moment you stop taking it, you lose any sort of benefit from it and can have an adverse reaction.

Want to aid your training? Work hard and eat clean.

Is that how you got the sexy body builder body you have?:rofl:

Grandpa 06-22-2013 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BLK2012GT (Post 35874)
Is that how you got the sexy body builder body you have?:rofl:

Yeah, you're a physical specimen yourself there aren't ya? Anytime you want to come to the gym and workout let me know. I bet you don't make it through the warm up without puking let alone rolling for two hours. This old fat guy would fuckin clown you on the mat. :signs8:

Blackout 06-22-2013 10:41 AM

My diet has gone to shit...I can never stick to it bc of work I always eat out :/

Grandpa 06-22-2013 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Blackout (Post 35896)
My diet has gone to shit...I can never stick to it bc of work I always eat out :/

Social eating is a huge diet killer for sure. Its hard to avoid. Im learning to make better choices rather than just saying fuck it and order whatever I want.

BLK2012GT 06-22-2013 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve (Post 35892)
Yeah, you're a physical specimen yourself there aren't ya? Anytime you want to come to the gym and workout let me know. I bet you don't make it through the warm up without puking let alone rolling for two hours. This old fat guy would fuckin clown you on the mat. :signs8:

Hmmmmmm I sure hope you can take me on the mat since you've been doing that shit for how long. And I never said I was in shape. I'm far from it, but I don't preach on what to do either when I don't do it myself. And maybe we need to make a section for this instead of a sticky and get Greg (gray horse) on this site. Someone that knows about physical training and working out.

Grandpa 06-22-2013 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BLK2012GT (Post 35900)
Hmmmmmm I sure hope you can take me on the mat since you've been doing that shit for how long. And I never said I was in shape. I'm far from it, but I don't preach on what to do either when I don't do it myself. And maybe we need to make a section for this instead of a sticky and get Greg (gray horse) on this site. Someone that knows about physical training and working out.

Contrary to popular belief I haven't always been old and fat. lol.

I'm not preaching bro, just sharing my opinion. I'm back on my training/dieting program. My brother being sick with stage 4 cancer has had a really profound effect on my attitude towards my health and not taking it for granted any longer. Its now my priority over everything else now making some big changes in my life. I've attempted it many times and failed, it just sucks watching my brother wither away in health and spirit is what it took to make these changes happen. :(

5PointSlow 06-22-2013 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve (Post 35898)
Social eating is a huge diet killer for sure. Its hard to avoid. Im learning to make better choices rather than just saying fuck it and order whatever I want.

That's been my prob the last few days lol. Eating out is so bad for you especially I you make poor diet decisions.

Dominic Toretto 06-22-2013 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackout (Post 35896)
My diet has gone to shit...I can never stick to it bc of work I always eat out :/

I had this same issue for awhile. I started making my own lunches for the week. Saves gas on going out to eat during lunch, you know exactly what you're eating, saves money and is healthier. Try it bro :)

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Originally Posted by BLK2012GT (Post 35900)
Hmmmmmm I sure hope you can take me on the mat since you've been doing that shit for how long. And I never said I was in shape. I'm far from it, but I don't preach on what to do either when I don't do it myself. And maybe we need to make a section for this instead of a sticky and get Greg (gray horse) on this site. Someone that knows about physical training and working out.

+1. A section for physical health would be great for everyone.

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Originally Posted by Steve (Post 35905)
I've attempted it many times and failed, it just sucks watching my brother wither away in health and spirit is what it took to make these changes happen. :(

Can't imagine what you're going through man. Best wishes and prayers to your brother.

-Alex

Blackout 06-26-2013 10:51 AM

Haha waking up early to make my own food is hard....how's pbmj sandwhiches for a "diet"...I say its still better than fast fopd and peanut butter I high on protein or whatever...I've cut back on drinking also

White_lightning 06-26-2013 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BLK2012GT (Post 35900)
Hmmmmmm I sure hope you can take me on the mat since you've been doing that shit for how long. And I never said I was in shape. I'm far from it, but I don't preach on what to do either when I don't do it myself. And maybe we need to make a section for this instead of a sticky and get Greg (gray horse) on this site. Someone that knows about physical training and working out.

greg is a boss:) but im willing to bet i have moved more weight than just about anyone on this site...

BLK2012GT 06-26-2013 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by White_lightning (Post 36788)
greg is a boss:) but im willing to bet i have moved more weight than just about anyone on this site...

That's because you're Hercules.

White_lightning 06-26-2013 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BLK2012GT (Post 36791)
That's because you're Hercules.

faaaaar from it.. im just a fat nerd who likes to move a little weight :)

Phuck Phace 06-26-2013 12:43 PM

I'm hard as a rock, don't need to carry a Glock, I'm 30% muscle and 70% cock.

Grandpa 06-26-2013 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Phuck Phace (Post 36795)
I'm hard as a rock, don't need to carry a Glock, I'm 30% muscle and 70% cock.

LMAO!!

Btw, how is the quitting drinking thing going? You said you were gonna give it a try.

Phuck Phace 06-26-2013 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve (Post 36805)
LMAO!!

Btw, how is the quitting drinking thing going? You said you were gonna give it a try.

I did cut back, completely quitting is boring as fuck. Been keeping myself occupied with work instead.

White_lightning 06-26-2013 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Phuck Phace (Post 36812)
I did cut back, completely quitting is boring as fuck. Been keeping myself occupied with work instead.

lifting heavy will help you quit.. go out drinking friday. and go bench heavy on saturday.. when the weight almost kills you and you stink like vodka... you give up drinking REAL Fast:)

Grandpa 06-26-2013 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by White_lightning (Post 36813)
lifting heavy will help you quit.. go out drinking friday. and go bench heavy on saturday.. when the weight almost kills you and you stink like vodka... you give up drinking REAL Fast:)

Ugh..yuck. Hangovers suck as it is, but trying to workout with one? No thanks!

I'm doing chest and tri's tonight, tomorrow one hour cardio on the bike, Friday will be back and bi's.

Dominic Toretto 06-26-2013 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve (Post 36816)
Ugh..yuck. Hangovers suck as it is, but trying to workout with one? No thanks!

I'm doing chest and tri's tonight, tomorrow one hour cardio on the bike, Friday will be back and bi's.

Try watching a drunken friend trying to max out on bench during a house party after drinking a few cups of trashcan punch. College was a lot of fun.

-Alex

03MachMe 06-26-2013 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by White_lightning (Post 36813)
lifting heavy will help you quit.. go out drinking friday. and go bench heavy on saturday.. when the weight almost kills you and you stink like vodka... you give up drinking REAL Fast:)

I think I would quit heavy lifting at that point lol

White_lightning 06-26-2013 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve (Post 36816)
Ugh..yuck. Hangovers suck as it is, but trying to workout with one? No thanks!

I'm doing chest and tri's tonight, tomorrow one hour cardio on the bike, Friday will be back and bi's.

im not a fan of doing chest/tris on the same day.. i prefer Shoulders/tris and Chest/bis

Grandpa 06-26-2013 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by White_lightning (Post 36835)
im not a fan of doing chest/tris on the same day.. i prefer Shoulders/tris and Chest/bis

To me , that doesn't make any sense. Chest/tri's are pushing muscles, back and bi's are pulling muscles. Why would you not work them out in the same session?

White_lightning 06-26-2013 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve (Post 36838)
To me , that doesn't make any sense. Chest/tri's are pushing muscles, back and bi's are pulling muscles. Why would you not work them out in the same session?

Shoulders are push muscles too..

but shoulders rely LESS on triceps than chest.

if you can go 100% on triceps after a chest work out.. your chest workout isnt worth a damn.

Shoulders dont tire out the triceps near as much as a solid chest work out.. so i can give 100% on shoulders and 100% on triceps.. where as on saturdays i kill Chest and then kill bis which were in no way impacted by the chest work out.


NORMALY people mix a push major and a pull minor together for a work out.

Grandpa 06-26-2013 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by White_lightning (Post 36842)
Shoulders are push muscles too..

but shoulders rely LESS on triceps than chest.

if you can go 100% on triceps after a chest work out.. your chest workout isnt worth a damn.

Shoulders dont tire out the triceps near as much as a solid chest work out.. so i can give 100% on shoulders and 100% on triceps.. where as on saturdays i kill Chest and then kill bis which were in no way impacted by the chest work out.


NORMALY people mix a push major and a pull minor together for a work out.

That would explain why my chest doesn't get anywhere near as sore as my triceps do. I just figured it was me being weak as hell. lol


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