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**Dominic Toretto** · 03-27-2014, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by re-rx7

75k for a 12sec car? Lol man you get out on the street and get beat what are you gonna say? Follow me to eagles canyon? Lololol

Meh.

Same argument can be said for plenty of cars with less performance. Porsche sells every 911 it builds and anything under a Turbo is slow. Aston Martins are also slow and sell for way more than this Camaro and perform less than it does.

Trying to argue price on cars like this is ridiculous. There are reasons to buy the car that don't include straight line performance.

-Alex

**STROKD** · 03-27-2014, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto

Meh.

Same argument can be said for plenty of cars with less performance. Porsche sells every 911 it builds and anything under a Turbo is slow. Aston Martins are also slow and sell for way more than this Camaro and perform less than it does.

Trying to argue price on cars like this is ridiculous. There are reasons to buy the car that don't include straight line performance.

-Alex

Well said.

re-rx7 · 03-27-2014, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto

Meh.

Same argument can be said for plenty of cars with less performance. Porsche sells every 911 it builds and anything under a Turbo is slow. Aston Martins are also slow and sell for way more than this Camaro and perform less than it does.

Trying to argue price on cars like this is ridiculous. There are reasons to buy the car that don't include straight line performance.

-Alex

Most am are very luxury cars.
Porsche has ac, radio and leather ect. This car is stripped so why doesn't 1/4 mile apply. I'm still tryna figure out why they didnt take the car to willow. Every motortremd head to head is done at willow. The gtr beat the zo6 around that track. At the ring the gtr was sec upon sec faster.

**BERT** · 03-27-2014, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by re-rx7

Most am are very luxury cars.
Porsche has ac, radio and leather ect. This car is stripped so why doesn't 1/4 mile apply. I'm still tryna figure out why they didnt take the car to willow. Every motortremd head to head is done at willow. The gtr beat the zo6 around that track. At the ring the gtr was sec upon sec faster.

Maybe they were personally trying to piss you off? Cause it seems to be working

**Grandpa** · 03-27-2014, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto

Meh.

Same argument can be said for plenty of cars with less performance. Porsche sells every 911 it builds and anything under a Turbo is slow. Aston Martins are also slow and sell for way more than this Camaro and perform less than it does.

Trying to argue price on cars like this is ridiculous. There are reasons to buy the car that don't include straight line performance.

-Alex

Excellent post!

Ever notice the people who continually bring up cost of a car to justify everything are the people who can usually barely afford the car they do have which is barely modded?

**BERT** · 03-27-2014, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT

Excellent post!

Ever notice the people who continually bring up cost of a car to justify everything are the people who can usually barely afford the car they do have which is barely modded?

hey!!!! FUCK YOU! lol

**Grandpa** · 03-27-2014, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by BERT

hey!!!! FUCK YOU! lol

**Dominic Toretto** · 03-27-2014, 11:35 AM

Trust me Re-RX7, I get your argument but, I too had a reality check. If you look at performance numbers only, there are plenty of cars that are WAY over-priced when you look at just 0-60 and 1/4 mile times.

When I was on Corvette forum people were comparing the Stingray to a Porsche Cayman. WTF a Stingray will annihilate a Cayman in anything, looks are subjective. But all of those performance stats aside, nothing you can do can buy the experience of driving a Cayman. I was with a buddy that went to test drive a Cayman and I was fortunate enough that the salesmen allowed me to go after my friend did and I can say, not that I would pay that much for a Cayman, hey, I understand the price point now.

Just like there is no way to mod a Camaro to have the same experience as driving a GTR. That's what they are selling, to those that care. The people that want the experience of driving a Camaro around a track that beats a GTR is well worth the $70k to those that will buy it.

Long answer short, there are merits that you simply can't put into a measurable statistic. And those that are aware of it, will pay for it happily

-Alex

**Crimson600+HP** · 03-27-2014, 05:01 PM

Lol, fanboys. I guess people can't appreciate a fast car other than a ford or mustang product. Frankly, if the 1LE existed when I was looking at a GT, I would be in that because it would clean my NA Mustang (at that time's) clock on the track.

**El_Tortuga** · 03-28-2014, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Crimson600+HP

Lol, fanboys. I guess people can't appreciate a fast car other than a ford or mustang product. Frankly, if the 1LE existed when I was looking at a GT, I would be in that because it would clean my NA Mustang (at that time's) clock on the track.

First time out, I was quicker than my buddies 1LE.

I've driven his car. Stock vs stock, his was more composed, but my car is waaaaaay better than stock. In fact, neither one of us is anywhere close to stock suspension. Both cars are daily drivers first and foremost. I haven't driven his since he's done coilovers, poly subframe bushings, and we both are upgrading brakes significantly. I know who's winning this friendly arms war, the parts suppliers.

We both are completely comfortable with our choices. Pony cars are not God's gift to the track, but holy hell is it fun to the hp and torque fly. In any case, its all-American muscle and more brute force and V-8 exhaust note than high dollar refinement. I can respect that. I wish the Dodges would play too, but they are just too damn heavy.

Our next event is Apr 12-13 on the 3.1 @ Cresson. Game on!!!

**saunupe1911** · 03-28-2014, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by Crimson600+HP

Lol, fanboys. I guess people can't appreciate a fast car other than a ford or mustang product. Frankly, if the 1LE existed when I was looking at a GT, I would be in that because it would clean my NA Mustang (at that time's) clock on the track.

Same here, but that's my biggest gripe against the 1LE . It took Chevy 3 yrs to play ball with Ford.

**Crimson600+HP** · 03-28-2014, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by El_Tortuga

First time out, I was quicker than my buddies 1LE.

I've driven his car. Stock vs stock, his was more composed, but my car is waaaaaay better than stock. In fact, neither one of us is anywhere close to stock suspension. Both cars are daily drivers first and foremost. I haven't driven his since he's done coilovers, poly subframe bushings, and we both are upgrading brakes significantly. I know who's winning this friendly arms war, the parts suppliers.

We both are completely comfortable with our choices. Pony cars are not God's gift to the track, but holy hell is it fun to the hp and torque fly. In any case, its all-American muscle and more brute force and V-8 exhaust note than high dollar refinement. I can respect that. I wish the Dodges would play too, but they are just too damn heavy.

Our next event is Apr 12-13 on the 3.1 @ Cresson. Game on!!!

One of these days I'm going to make it to an ECR open track day. When I do, I'll drag my roommate and his SS along too. Would love to sync up with some people here to see what we got on the track.

Originally Posted by saunupe1911

Same here, but that's my biggest gripe against the 1LE . It took Chevy 3 yrs to play ball with Ford.

Truth. Chevy was riding the looks and straight line performance for a while before the road course/auto-x guys wanted more. I am a fan of speed, not brand which is why I love most things that are fast. To people who can't get over brand loyalty, enjoy being second place.