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**STROKD** · 03-24-2014, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by Zeek

What's Darkpony's build anyways?

Downtime said darkpony would be similar to his... which was a kennebell trapping mid 30s... if u do t trap over 140 on the spray Ill be confused since we had nearly identical builds.

**Zeek** · 03-24-2014, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by STROKD

Downtime said darkpony would be similar to his... which was a kennebell trapping mid 30s... if u do t trap over 140 on the spray Ill be confused since we had nearly identical builds.

If he traps 135 i think I'd still beat him in a roll race. Without the bottle.

re-rx7 · 03-24-2014, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Zeek

If he traps 135 i think I'd still beat him in a roll race. Without the bottle.

Shit. Get a shelby bolt ons, radials, 9's. Fuck. What makes the vette fast isn't the engine. It's the weight and aero. The coyote motor na is way more efficient then the Ls3 motor.

**Zeek** · 03-24-2014, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by re-rx7

Shit. Get a shelby bolt ons, radials, 9's. Fuck. What makes the vette fast isn't the engine. It's the weight and aero. The coyote motor na is way more efficient then the Ls3 motor.

Not quite sure on that. With Bolton's and cam with stock heads I'm putting 500 down. 5.0s with all 4 cams put what down maybe 450? And besides that the ls3 has way more torque. And the ls3 is 7 years old? The 5.0 is 3 I'd hope they would have cought up in 5 years.

re-rx7 · 03-24-2014, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by Zeek

Not quite sure on that. With Bolton's and cam with stock heads I'm putting 500 down. 5.0s with all 4 cams put what down maybe 450? And besides that the ls3 has way more torque. And the ls3 is 7 years old? The 5.0 is 3 I'd hope they would have cought up in 5 years.

Ford is considered the inferior engine and they put down more hp per cubic inch. The only reason your car is faster then a mustang with same power is weight and aero. That simple. Case in point the new camaro with same engine is slow as balls.

5.0's with cams and boltons are appraoching 500 wheel if not more. The Trinity makes more hp then the SC 6.2 and a smaller engine. Yea superior my ass.

**Grandpa** · 03-24-2014, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by re-rx7

Ford is considered the inferior engine and they put down more hp per cubic inch. The only reason your car is faster then a mustang with same power is weight and aero. That simple. Case in point the new camaro with same engine is slow as balls.

5.0's with cams and boltons are appraoching 500 wheel if not more. The Trinity makes more hp then the SC 6.2 and a smaller engine. Yea superior my ass.

In my opinion, the whole argument is null and void when it comes to modified vehicles. The only fair way to compare cars is in stock form, which most of us don't leave our cars stock.

You can make your point saying that the 5.0 is the better engine saying it's more efficient making more power vs displacement and you might be right with your opinion but it's doesn't change the fact that a 600rw Stang is going to get beat by 500rw Vette.

Bench or calculator racing doesn't always work. With comparable cars you can ballpark it I guess, but it's far from accurate.

As far as the street scene goes and racing, a 5.0 has to overcome a lot to make up for the weight and gearing difference of the Vette putting it at a serious disadvantage.

These Coyotes can be very fast, but in order to do so an owner has to be willing to throw quite of money at it in order to be competitive with everything in the parking lot at a meet. Otherwise it's best to stick to racing stuff like Camaros, Challengers and a few imports.

re-rx7 · 03-24-2014, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT

In my opinion, the whole argument is null and void when it comes to modified vehicles. The only fair way to compare cars is in stock form, which most of us don't leave our cars stock.

You can make your point saying that the 5.0 is the better engine saying it's more efficient making more power vs displacement and you might be right with your opinion but it's doesn't change the fact that a 600rw Stang is going to get beat by 500rw Vette.

Bench or calculator racing doesn't always work. With comparable cars you can ballpark it I guess, but it's far from accurate.

As far as the street scene goes and racing, a 5.0 has to overcome a lot to make up for the weight and gearing difference of the Vette putting it at a serious disadvantage.

These Coyotes can be very fast, but in order to do so an owner has to be willing to throw quite of money at it in order to be competitive with everything in the parking lot at a meet. Otherwise it's best to stick to racing stuff like Camaros, Challengers and a few imports.

This is true. Mustang were never the vette comp. People just see it that way since most camros and challngers dont have a snowballs chance in hell. The camaro and stanf are on even fields weight and aero wise. Now the new stang is damn near the weight of the C7.

**kdanner** · 03-24-2014, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by Zeek

If he traps 135 i think I'd still beat him in a roll race. Without the bottle.

I think you probably way oversimplify things, but let's see. So you putting down your 500, without your bottle, can you pull a ZR-1?

**kdanner** · 03-27-2014, 01:14 AM

Originally Posted by Zeek

If he traps 135 i think I'd still beat him in a roll race. Without the bottle.

You never answered. Can you pull a ZR-1 without your bottle?

**NAVAG** · 03-27-2014, 01:18 AM

**Grandpa** · 03-27-2014, 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by kdanner

You never answered. Can you pull a ZR-1 without your bottle?

He hasn't had the car that long and I doubt he's had the opportunity to race one yet to find out if he can or not.

**Zeek** · 03-27-2014, 01:23 AM

Originally Posted by kdanner

You never answered. Can you pull a ZR-1 without your bottle?

Tbh I'm not sure. I'd love to race a stock one to see how I compare.

**STROKD** · 03-27-2014, 11:00 AM

Not stupid at all to not want to launch a Vette often. Its hard on expensive parts. Its 2 to 3 grand to drop the rear out for repairs, not same as swapping an axle or cheap ass rear end out in your driveway for a Mustang repair. Mustang has a big supercharger, shouldnt be afraid to run a roll race. I had people ask me to run roll races all the time when my Stang was up, and I gave them their race, same as I did to dig racers, on slicks and skinnies and all. Its all in fun, or used to be. Now everyone is looking for an edge or wont bother racing for fear of losing... pussification of America...

**kdanner** · 03-28-2014, 03:07 AM

Originally Posted by Zeek

Tbh I'm not sure. I'd love to race a stock one to see how I compare.

Well that's an honest answer. I really expected you to say no. What I was getting at is I think you are very much oversimplifying with some of your statements like saying you could pull him if he traps under 135. First of all if your car has never been down a track you really don't know where you are at all. Second, my own car trapping 126 at the time ran around the middle of the ZR1 pack at the mile, outrunning more of them there than have been able to outrun me. I think the conditions at the mile very much simulate what you guys do on the highways, there's no traction there either, and we can't even run a soft tire.

**Zeek** · 03-28-2014, 04:09 AM

Originally Posted by kdanner

Well that's an honest answer. I really expected you to say no. What I was getting at is I think you are very much oversimplifying with some of your statements like saying you could pull him if he traps under 135. First of all if your car has never been down a track you really don't know where you are at all. Second, my own car trapping 126 at the time ran around the middle of the ZR1 pack at the mile, outrunning more of them there than have been able to outrun me. I think the conditions at the mile very much simulate what you guys do on the highways, there's no traction there either, and we can't even run a soft tire.

Well a good friend of mine has had the exact same build as me and he trapped in the 130s so that's what I'm basing my car off of.