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Old 07-17-2013, 03:37 PM   #1
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Default 400 ft lb at N/A

I was looking at some car magazines the other day and noticed that a lot of the new 5.0's, even with modifications don't break 400 ft lb of tq at the tire. Then I started looking at peoples signatures, and the same seems to be true. Not saying there are none, but it doesn't seem to be common.

I'm talking about a basic bolt on car, also. Headers, CAI, tune, etc.

I think the tune is where the main difference is.

My car put down 404 ft lb at True Street's dyno then almost cracked it on Brooks' Dyno with 399 ft lb.

Is this even worth discussing? Or am I just way off base and out of touch with reality.
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Old 07-17-2013, 03:38 PM   #2
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Most have the boss intake on that's why
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Old 07-17-2013, 03:44 PM   #3
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Boss intake kills the tq. You can do an aftermarket TB and porting of the boss intake runners to pick the tq loss back up.
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I agree. A stick car shocks the tires MUCH harder and does it several times going down the track. With a big power stick car, the car is much more unsettled going down the track making it more of a challenge to ET well. A well running auto car is nothing more than just point and shoot. Which is great for a track car taking a lot of driver error out of the equation.
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Most have the boss intake on that's why
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Boss intake kills the tq. You can do an aftermarket TB and porting of the boss intake runners to pick the tq loss back up.
and that's what i figured was the culprit.

but now lets look at this, and Midnight11 I will use your car for comparison as you have all your mods and hp/tq numbers in your sig.

Your car (assuming the numbers are current) makes 19 more peak hp than my car, but my car makes 28 more peak tq.

Our cars are daily driven street cars, not race cars. I would think as heavy as our cars are that torque would be sought after.

I don't post on here much so I don't know how sensitive folks are, so let me re-iterate this is not an attack on Midnight11's car, I was just using it for illustration purposes.
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Old 07-17-2013, 04:02 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by KungFuHamster View Post
and that's what i figured was the culprit.

but now lets look at this, and Midnight11 I will use your car for comparison as you have all your mods and hp/tq numbers in your sig.

Your car (assuming the numbers are current) makes 19 more peak hp than my car, but my car makes 28 more peak tq.

Our cars are daily driven street cars, not race cars. I would think as heavy as our cars are that torque would be sought after.

I don't post on here much so I don't know how sensitive folks are, so let me re-iterate this is not an attack on Midnight11's car, I was just using it for illustration purposes.
Dude attack away. You can say it his car is a slow turd. Lol

But the gearing in the tranny makes up for that especially in first gear. When I did that I made almost the same numbers the car stilled launch pretty hard plus I was able to rev the engine 700 rpms higher for more horsepower where the stock manifold starts dropping off around 6800 rpms.
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I agree. A stick car shocks the tires MUCH harder and does it several times going down the track. With a big power stick car, the car is much more unsettled going down the track making it more of a challenge to ET well. A well running auto car is nothing more than just point and shoot. Which is great for a track car taking a lot of driver error out of the equation.
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I don't daily my car and these cars are slow unless its boosted
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My car with just a Lethal Hpipe, gt500's and a tune makes 412rw/416rwtq. Stock intake/airbox.
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Originally Posted by Midnight11 View Post
I don't daily my car and these cars are slow unless its boosted
Agreed.
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I don't daily my car and these cars are slow unless its boosted
Ok Steve. Smh
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I agree. A stick car shocks the tires MUCH harder and does it several times going down the track. With a big power stick car, the car is much more unsettled going down the track making it more of a challenge to ET well. A well running auto car is nothing more than just point and shoot. Which is great for a track car taking a lot of driver error out of the equation.
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Old 07-17-2013, 04:25 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT View Post
Agreed.
Not this shit again.
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I agree. A stick car shocks the tires MUCH harder and does it several times going down the track. With a big power stick car, the car is much more unsettled going down the track making it more of a challenge to ET well. A well running auto car is nothing more than just point and shoot. Which is great for a track car taking a lot of driver error out of the equation.
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I agree, even with nitrous and ported heads these cars move slow.
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PS, Only the E85 cars are fast.
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Originally Posted by Phuck Phace View Post
I agree, even with nitrous and ported heads these cars move slow.
Hell boosted cars don't move at all.
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Originally Posted by Phuck Phace View Post
I agree, even with hypothetical nitrous and ported heads these cars move slow.
Fixed.


Jeff, we just have different opinions on what is fast. No need to troll with it.
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Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT View Post
Fixed.


Jeff, we just have different opinions on what is fast. No need to troll with it.
Yea, cause you don't even own is consider fast. People with 70k dollars plus cars with 30k plus into it and you rode in them is fast. Man anything with 700 rwhp is fast.
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