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**DirtyD** · 10-21-2013, 12:54 PM

Fact of the matter is that GM beat a car with "outdated" technology, wider and track appropriate tires, and more power. Yay?

The SRA Boss LS ran all of it's times on streetable "R"-ish compound tires in a 255/285 setup.

**Dominic Toretto** · 10-21-2013, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by DirtyD

Fact of the matter is that GM beat a car with "outdated" technology, wider and track appropriate tires, and more power. Yay?

The SRA Boss LS ran all of it's times on streetable "R"-ish compound tires in a 255/285 setup.

Were you expecting them to beat the car using less power, technology from the 90s and winter tires?

-Alex

re-rx7 · 10-21-2013, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto

I never claimed the Z/28 was the baddest car ever. I just posted this thread for people interested in the car. That was it. I'm a car enthusiast and like several types of cars, not just Fords. Plenty of people measure performance based on track times. If the Mustang went around a track faster than a Camaro, how many people here would have bashed the car?

-Alex

How many people here would be interested in that car? NOne would have bashed and none are bashing the car. We are just saying for the money there are better options as far as power and speed are concerned. Like I said earlier GM owes the Taxpayer a ton of money and they are making niche cars. Why?

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto

Were you expecting them to beat the car using less power, technology from the 90s and winter tires?

-Alex

The fact they had to use 305mm tires, a 7.0 liter engine and alot of other stuff speaks highyy of the boss to me.

**saunupe1911** · 10-21-2013, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by re-rx7

How many people here would be interested in that car? NOne would have bashed and none are bashing the car. We are just saying for the money there are better options as far as power and speed are concerned. Like I said earlier GM owes the Taxpayer a ton of money and they are making niche cars. Why?

The fact they had to use 305mm tires, a 7.0 liter engine and alot of other stuff speaks highyy of the boss to me.

I like the niche car thing because its pushing the entire industry.

I totally agree with the second comment. 305 all 4 corner, LS7, stripped down....I have seen all this before! It's nice performance car, but it's not impressive at all!!!

Now take the Boss LS with all the creature comforts, looks, exclusivity, and performance...that's impressive. And keep in mind that these LS owners will have been enjoying their car and bragging rights for 3 yrs come March 2014 (Z/28 expected shipments). And they are gearing up for the next gen Mustang in less 10 months from the Z/28 release.

**Dominic Toretto** · 10-21-2013, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by saunupe1911

Now take the Boss LS with all the creature comforts, looks, exclusivity, and performance...that's impressive.

ROFL. Okay so the Z/28 can be had with the same creature comforts as a Boss, looks are subjective, going to also be exclusive and the performance kills a Boss 302 and that is NOT impressive!?

So exact same criteria but it's not impressive lol. You're sounding extremely hypocritical now. If you just don't like the Camaro, I would accept that answer. But since both cars have the same stats you like with the Boss, and deem it not impressive is just sounding trolling.

-Alex

**saunupe1911** · 10-21-2013, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto

ROFL. Okay so the Z/28 can be had with the same creature comforts as a Boss, looks are subjective, going to also be exclusive and the performance kills a Boss 302 and that is NOT impressive!?

So exact same criteria but it's not impressive lol. You're sounding extremely hypocritical now. If you just don't like the Camaro, I would accept that answer. But since both cars have the same stats you like with the Boss, and deem it not impressive is just sounding trolling.

-Alex

Removal of Sound deadening and Nav are some nice features that a ton of people care about, which is why thousands of buyers chose a M3 or C63 at this price level.

Read my earlier posts. It's not impressive because this level of performance is seen in the Continental Tire race series from the Camaro....and the Mustang too. I already knew what it can do! They have had the LS7 since 2006! And it took GM 3 yrs to finally catch up. None of that is impressive, period!!! I'm glad they finally caught the hell up! Stop implying what I'm saying and read exactly what I typed.

**Dominic Toretto** · 10-21-2013, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by saunupe1911

Removal of Sound deadening and Nav are some nice features that a ton of people care about, which is why thousands of buyers chose a M3 or C63 at this price level.

Read my earlier posts. It's not impressive because this level of performance is seen in the Continental Tire race series from the Camaro....and the Mustang too. I already knew what it can do! They have had the LS7 since 2006! And it took GM 3 yrs to finally catch up. None of that is impressive, period!!! I'm glad they finally caught the hell up! Stop implying what I'm saying and read exactly what I typed.

Do you really think the demographic of people that want to buy this car want sound deadening or navigation?

I did read what you typed. I even quoted it and replied exactly to it. There were no implications.

-Alex

**Dominic Toretto** · 10-21-2013, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by re-rx7

The fact they had to use 305mm tires, a 7.0 liter engine and alot of other stuff speaks highyy of the boss to me.

Who said they had to use an LS7, carbon brakes, or anything else to beat a Boss? If anything, it sounds like they wanted the car to humiliate a Boss. Like the Chief Engineer in the video said, they are aiming higher than a Mustang based on the list of cars he said he wants the Z28 to be mentioned with. And the fact that they are using top end Corvette materials just confirms it.

-Alex

**DirtyD** · 10-21-2013, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto

Were you expecting them to beat the car using less power, technology from the 90s and winter tires?

-Alex

Originally Posted by re-rx7

The fact they had to use 305mm tires, a 7.0 liter engine and alot of other stuff speaks highyy of the boss to me.

What re-rv7 said, exactly.

Had Ford spent as much time and development on the Boss on top of the GT as GM did solely on the Z/28 over the SS, the Boss would most likely be able to hang with it damn near to the millisecond. I did read somewhere that GM originally planned to release the Z/28 in 2011, but unforeseen circumstances apparantly came about. Even then, the Z/28 uses an already in production engine, an already in production transmission, and already in production magnetic ride IRS, and new fancy R compound tires, which aren't street legal. So it's not like GM custom built this car, from the design board forward, specifically to race and beat the Boss. I think a lot of people see it as a built from scratch car, with everything made for the car, when it's not.

**Dominic Toretto** · 10-21-2013, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by DirtyD

Even then, the Z/28 uses an already in production engine, an already in production transmission, and already in production magnetic ride IRS, and new fancy R compound tires, which aren't street legal. So it's not like GM custom built this car, from the design board forward, specifically to race and beat the Boss. I think a lot of people see it as a built from scratch car, with everything made for the car, when it's not.

Very fair argument Derek. That is a plus to the Boss 302, everything was built specifically for that car. The Z/28 does use leftover ZO6 and ZR1 parts. I think the only new parts are the aero.

-Alex

**DirtyD** · 10-21-2013, 03:44 PM

That's just the way I see it, as unbiased as I can. You can kind of argue that same point for the Boss, but not as heavily and holding of an argument, Since Ford took what they had already done with the GT and expanded on it.

But I will say that I don't think GM can have enough damn models of the Camaro out! Holy shit there are so many!

Base, RS, SS, 1LE, ZL1, Z/28

Might as well make the Camaro it's own damn brand name as it has enough models to support a whole dealership.

**Dominic Toretto** · 10-21-2013, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by DirtyD

Since Ford took what they had already done with the GT and expanded on it.

But I will say that I don't think GM can have enough damn models of the Camaro out! Holy shit there are so many!

Base, RS, SS, 1LE, ZL1, Z/28

Might as well make the Camaro it's own damn brand name as it has enough models to support a whole dealership.

Perhaps you can educate me since I don't know any history on Mustangs but, I would assume the original Boss 302 was the same concept on the current model. Just a more track-oriented version of a GT. Educate me if I am wrong

Chevy does have too many damn models of that and the Corvette. It's like buying a 911. I miss the days when you either wanted the car or you didn't.

-Alex

**merlinmol** · 10-22-2013, 01:47 PM

It was funny reading this whole thread. I understand that a lot of people here only like Ford's, however, it's sad to put down another car manufaturer based on opinions.

I saw someone say something about GM owing the taxpayer's money. Last time I checked they have already paid back the money they borrowed. Also, don't go saying as if Ford never needed to borrow money because they did too, a couple years before GM and Chrysler. Everyone was hurting back then.

I also saw comments about needing more power to win. You cannot compare power alone to see which is the obvious faster car. Power to weight ratio makes that difference. By now I'd think that everyone knows the Camaro is going to be the heavier car until they re-design the chassis/suspension (which was borrowed from another car to get the Camaro going)

As for the R compound tires. How many people here drive on R compound? Quite a bite the last time I checked. Also if it they were track only tires it wouldn't be allowed on the street which I am pretty sure the z28 is.

Originally Posted by DirtyD

But I will say that I don't think GM can have enough damn models of the Camaro out! Holy shit there are so many!

Base, RS, SS, 1LE, ZL1, Z/28

I do love this one the best though. Last time I checked Mustang had the same number of models. When you went to price one out you have a V6 base, V6 Premium, GT Base, GT Premium, Boss, and GT500. That also doesn't include Roush and Saleen that you buy from the dealers. Those are unlisted vehicles that you can order direct from Ford. I understand that most of those are the same car with different options. But Ford sells them as different models'. You also cannot include 1LE as a model as it is an option on the SS. Just like the Track Pack or Recaro's are. One other way to look at it then is the RS = V6, SS = GT, ZL1 = GT500, Z/28 = Boss. So where are all of these extra models?