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**BLK2012GT** · 07-17-2013, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT

That's your opinion, I disagree.

My junk is slow and always will be. I'm okay with it. lol

Your junk is slow cause its basically stock. I said 700 rwhp plus is fast. And god damnit why do you have to derail every thread.

**Phuck Phace** · 07-17-2013, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by BLK2012GT

Man anything with 700 rwhp is fast.

I disagree.

**BLK2012GT** · 07-17-2013, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by Phuck Phace

I disagree.

What needs to be lower for you?

**STROKD** · 07-17-2013, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by BLK2012GT

Yea, cause you don't even own is consider fast. People with 70k dollars plus cars with 30k plus into it and you rode in them is fast. Man anything with 700 rwhp is fast.

My old setup would cost about 25-30 grand to replicate, not including the car... It would have pissed you off badly on your setup with juice, and it was built in the 90s.

You talk like Steve and other folks on here haven't been doing this shit for decades man.

I took it apart in 2007 because I myself thought it was slow, and I was bored with it... there weren't many cars around then that were "fast" compared to today... If you dont make 700+ rw today, it's considered stock.

**Phuck Phace** · 07-17-2013, 04:39 PM

PS, Only the E85 cars are fast.

**DirtyD** · 07-17-2013, 05:12 PM

It's hard to compare dyno numbers between cars unless they were both dynoed on the same day, and dyno, with as close to the same exact weather as possible, and the dyno tech hit the trigger at the exact right moment on both cars.

Just too many factors to come into play. (You like this post don't you Steve? Lol)

It also depends on how the TQ values are determined. A calculated TQ value done from the load on the dyno (like Brooks') may be way off from one calculated by RPM sensor and such like TS does.

**KungFuHamster** · 07-17-2013, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by DirtyD

It's hard to compare dyno numbers between cars unless they were both dynoed on the same day, and dyno, with as close to the same exact weather as possible, and the dyno tech hit the trigger at the exact right moment on both cars.

Just too many factors to come into play. (You like this post don't you Steve? Lol)

It also depends on how the TQ values are determined. A calculated TQ value done from the load on the dyno (like Brooks') may be way off from one calculated by RPM sensor and such like TS does.

I get what your saying. But my car was was within 5-6 hp and 5 ft lb on Brooks' dyno on a hotter day, so I would consider that an accurate measure. I understand the variation between weather and dynos and what not and that of course, makes sense.

my thing is I believe a street car that makes 30 ft lb across the board will be faster than a car that makes 20 or so at the very top of the tach.

**DirtyD** · 07-17-2013, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by KungFuHamster

I get what your saying. But my car was was within 5-6 hp and 5 ft lb on Brooks' dyno on a hotter day, so I would consider that an accurate measure. I understand the variation between weather and dynos and what not and that of course, makes sense.

my thing is I believe a street car that makes 30 ft lb across the board will be faster than a car that makes 20 or so at the very top of the tach.

TQ decreases after the max RPM as you transition to having HP move the car. If you have enough HP and a long enough road, a low TQ car could catch and pass a high TQ car, of course that is a very sketchy example. I may get bombed for it, but oh well.

**Grandpa** · 07-17-2013, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by DirtyD

It's hard to compare dyno numbers between cars unless they were both dynoed on the same day, and dyno, with as close to the same exact weather as possible, and the dyno tech hit the trigger at the exact right moment on both cars.

Just too many factors to come into play. (You like this post don't you Steve? Lol)

It also depends on how the TQ values are determined. A calculated TQ value done from the load on the dyno (like Brooks') may be way off from one calculated by RPM sensor and such like TS does.

LOL, I'm rub my wiener all over it.

Originally Posted by KungFuHamster

I get what your saying. But my car was was within 5-6 hp and 5 ft lb on Brooks' dyno on a hotter day, so I would consider that an accurate measure. I understand the variation between weather and dynos and what not and that of course, makes sense.

my thing is I believe a street car that makes 30 ft lb across the board will be faster than a car that makes 20 or so at the very top of the tach.

Obviously the power under the curve is far more important than peak power but you know this.

There is an interesting conversation taking place on SVTP about something like this with the Paxton vs TVS type powerbands.