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**62nalide** · 09-17-2014, 06:24 PM

And what was the response for not making power? You said transmission issues lol

ShortBus · 09-17-2014, 06:25 PM

So many lolz in this thread.

DR281 · 09-17-2014, 06:32 PM

That's classy threaten him to not do business with him over him not agreeing with the shit you spout online.
Yeah I did think there could be something wrong with the transmission or converter. Since he has a stock converter and it flashes like he has a loose stall.
What do you suppose is wrong since you know everything? Full bolt on coyote with long tubes on E-85 that makes less then my stock auto car made?

**62nalide** · 09-17-2014, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by DR281

That's classy threaten him to not do business with him over him not agreeing with the shit you spout online.
Yeah I did think there could be something wrong with the transmission or converter. Since he has a stock converter and it flashes like he has a loose stall.
What do you suppose is wrong since you know everything? Full bolt on coyote with long tubes on E-85 that makes less then my stock auto car made?

If I do business with someone and says I'm full of shit I don't need to do business with them. Can you please explain why it made the power and ran what it did leaving HPP? Even though it made what it made it ran very good thos weekend. How is it that Noah picked up that hp and all that tq over your tune?

DR281 · 09-17-2014, 06:46 PM

It made what 8rw more than it made here? On E-85 instead of 93. To me thats no difference. You stated it was run on there dyno with E-85 on my tune. That would explain it not running right since I never got that far. I stopped when I realized there was still a problem. I didn't even finish tuning as I told the customer. I was more concerned with figuring out why it doesn't make the power it should.
Customer stated to me that the car ran great also when it was making 365rw the first time I tuned it. He also told me he beats everyone. That doesn't mean it's right.
Another example of how you can bend over to try to make something right but the customer just decides to go get another tune. Like that was the problem. Yet his car still make less than a stock car and now he is happy.

**Grandpa** · 09-17-2014, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by DR281

It made what 8rw more than it made here? On E-85 instead of 93. To me thats no difference. You stated it was run on there dyno with E-85 on my tune. That would explain it not running right since I never got that far. I stopped when I realized there was still a problem. I didn't even finish tuning as I told the customer. I was more concerned with figuring out why it doesn't make the power it should.
Customer stated to me that the car ran great also when it was making 365rw the first time I tuned it. He also told me he beats everyone. That doesn't mean it's right.
Another example of how you can bend over to try to make something right but the customer just decides to go get another tune. Like that was the problem. Yet his car still make less than a stock car and now he is happy.

Could be the differences in the dynos and how they are set up as well. There is all kinds of variables something like that could be.

**BLK2012GT** · 09-17-2014, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by Grandpa

Could be the differences in the dynos and how they are set up as well. There is all kinds of variables something like that could be.

I'm pretty sure he would know that.

**Grandpa** · 09-17-2014, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by BLK2012GT

I'm pretty sure he would know that.

Of course he does. I wasn't correcting him, just adding to his comment more for those watching the conversation.

**62nalide** · 09-17-2014, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by DR281

It made what 8rw more than it made here? On E-85 instead of 93. To me thats no difference. You stated it was run on there dyno with E-85 on my tune. That would explain it not running right since I never got that far. I stopped when I realized there was still a problem. I didn't even finish tuning as I told the customer. I was more concerned with figuring out why it doesn't make the power it should.
Customer stated to me that the car ran great also when it was making 365rw the first time I tuned it. He also told me he beats everyone. That doesn't mean it's right.
Another example of how you can bend over to try to make something right but the customer just decides to go get another tune. Like that was the problem. Yet his car still make less than a stock car and now he is happy.

No, he gained 29rwhp 80rwtq.
So a stock 5.0 can run 7.70s with a 1.80 60ft? Maybe the numbers are not on yhe screen but track #s don't lie. Best it ever ran out of hpp was a 8.15
Only reason I speak is because the owner is a younger guy I grew up with. I sent him to you and to hear and see his car run got to me. That's when PMP came into play

DR281 · 09-17-2014, 07:34 PM

The numbers you speak of came from running my 93 tune with E85 fuel. Those are flawed numbers. I made numerous pulls with that car making 36xrw. Which is not right. As I said I didn't even finish tuning because I wanted to figure out the real problem. That's when he said he was going to make it back to stock & sell it.
Btw my 2011 stock with a cold air & tune ran 7.7 with stock 3.15 gears. I'm sure 3.73 would have helped.
Why don't you check what a full bolt on auto with 3.73 should run. Either way. If he is happy, that's all that matters. Good luck to him. Just wanted to get the other side of the story out.

**62nalide** · 09-17-2014, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by DR281

The numbers you speak of came from running my 93 tune with E85 fuel. Those are flawed numbers. I made numerous pulls with that car making 36xrw. Which is not right. As I said I didn't even finish tuning because I wanted to figure out the real problem. That's when he said he was going to make it back to stock & sell it.
Btw my 2011 stock with a cold air & tune ran 7.7 with stock 3.15 gears. I'm sure 3.73 would have helped.
Why don't you check what a full bolt on auto with 3.73 should run. Either way. If he is happy, that's all that matters. Good luck to him. Just wanted to get the other side of the story out.

I am aware of what they run with great DA and track prep. As you saw he was on 20s with a shitty nt05 tire. Either way we tired our luck at hpp. You have tuned a few of my budy's boosted fox bodys and they had awesome results. Unfortunately we didn't and I know the customer service doesn't reflect on you but man your front desk guys should get retrained on that subject. 2 weeks turned into 2 months.

DR281 · 09-17-2014, 07:50 PM

He was well aware of the time frame when he dropped the car off. He knew he did not have a scheduled appointment and would get done when there was an opportunity. He was presented with both options. You can schedule it in and it will be done right away or you can leave it to get done when we have a chance. He was never promised 2 days, 2 weeks, or 2 months. The headers were installed & put on the dyno in a matter of 2 weeks either way. Then we found that the car gained 0 hp with the addition of long tubes & still seemed like something was wrong. So we then began discussing options from there.

**Yagermeister** · 09-17-2014, 07:11 PM

62nalide, regardless of who tuned your car and how the dyno was setup (both are dynojets so I can trust the configuration to a better degree than some other type of dyno), I fail to see why you don't think something is wrong with your car. ANY coyote with those mods auto or stick should be minimum 400 rwhp and probably around 420 depending on gears and transmission...maybe even 430. To be saying one tune is better than the other is pretty flawed IMHO when both tuners aren't working with a car that is functioning right. Post up a datalog of each dyno run with measured Afr both banks, spark advance 2, ltft both banks, stft both banks, rpm, vehicle speed, knock sensor, and lambse both banks along with full list of mods and conditions both dynos were run in and also what correction both dyno runs used (sae or std) and a bunch of us here can help you maybe figure out what is wrong with the car.

blownaltered · 09-17-2014, 07:15 PM

I have to say this shop bashing shit is old beyond belief. It's like it's starting all over again. For the younger guys you don't realize how real this shit can get. This is how these guys make a living. Steve can tell you how bad things got when Gearheads and HPP were going at it. I was there at the track when both shop and customers had to be separated by the cops. This does build major bad blood. That's why I don't shop bash anymore. I take the unanimous everybody does it and everybody fucks up. For 2 reasons, they do and they do. Nobody or shop is perfect. Does every shop have more than one car that has given them a black eye, yes. None of them can deny it. That's why the nut swinging cracks me up. If you like a shop and want to refer them then do so but you don't have to come into a thread and bash the shit out somebody. As a matter of fact I know it has been almost a decade since that shit happened between Gearheads and HPP but I honestly would like to apologize to Manny for my behavior back then. I was young at the time and just didn't know any better. I hope some of you take my advise and learn from past mistakes.

**BLK2012GT** · 09-17-2014, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by blownaltered

I have to say this shop bashing shit is old beyond belief. It's like it's starting all over again. For the younger guys you don't realize how real this shit can get. This is how these guys make a living. Steve can tell you how bad things got when Gearheads and HPP were going at it. I was there at the track when both shop and customers had to be separated by the cops. This does build major bad blood. That's why I don't shop bash anymore. I take the unanimous everybody does it and everybody fucks up. For 2 reasons, they do and they do. Nobody or shop is perfect. Does every shop have more than one car that has given them a black eye, yes. None of them can deny it. That's why the nut swinging cracks me up. If you like a shop and want to refer them then do so but you don't have to come into a thread and bash the shit out somebody. As a matter of fact I know it has been almost a decade since that shit happened between Gearheads and HPP but I honestly would like to apologize to Manny for my behavior back then. I was young at the time and just didn't know any better. I hope some of you take my advise and learn from past mistakes.

That's fine but I think the CUSTOMER who spent the money has the right to bash and complain about the shop and work that was done. It doesn't need to come down to a fight and all but shit still needs to be said.