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**Selcouth** · 05-10-2013, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by re-rx7

The more I hear about the coyote motor the more it seems like a kseries motor from Honda. It to can adjust timing up to 50degrees! Man I guess we should be thanking Honda for variable valve timing in a way.

Uh oh you just went there.

**Yagermeister** · 05-16-2013, 01:01 PM

One other issue with the lope idle from any tuner is that you should not have your cats still on the car as it will destroy them. Besides..who still has cats on their Mustang anyways??

**Grandpa** · 05-16-2013, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Yagermeister

One other issue with the lope idle from any tuner is that you should not have your cats still on the car as it will destroy them. Besides..who still has cats on their Mustang anyways??

I just saw your car in 5.0 Magazine. I looked past it a couple of times and didn't even click. Wasn't used to seeing your car on the stock wheels. lol

re-rx7 · 05-16-2013, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by Selcouth

Uh oh you just went there.

It's true.

**46Tbird** · 05-16-2013, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by re-rx7

The more I hear about the coyote motor the more it seems like a kseries motor from Honda. It to can adjust timing up to 50degrees! Man I guess we should be thanking Honda for variable valve timing in a way.

Yeah....except that VTECH functions in a completely different way and Honda didn't invent or even conceive variable valve timing.

I see nothing wrong with a lope tune. You're just taking advantage of the inherent valvetrain adjustability to get a better sound out of the car. Frankly I can't stand the near-silent sewing machine idle on these cars. But the lope tunes also sound completely ridiculous, like a nascar stocker. Be nice to just get a 'burble tune' lmao.

re-rx7 · 05-16-2013, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by 46Tbird

Yeah....except that VTECH functions in a completely different way and Honda didn't invent or even conceive variable valve timing.

I see nothing wrong with a lope tune. You're just taking advantage of the inherent valvetrain adjustability to get a better sound out of the car. Frankly I can't stand the near-silent sewing machine idle on these cars. But the lope tunes also sound completely ridiculous, like a nascar stocker. Be nice to just get a 'burble tune' lmao.

It Vtec. Actuated by oil pressure. How are they different?

**46Tbird** · 05-16-2013, 05:24 PM

I already explained that Honda didn't conceive or engineer the first variable valve technology, so WHY would Ford thank them for it?

Honda uses a secondary high lift, high duration lobe for each valve. Ford uses one lobe per valve and phases the camshaft as needed.

re-rx7 · 05-16-2013, 06:44 PM

Honda can be considered the first true "can switching" system.

**Yagermeister** · 05-16-2013, 10:54 PM

Steve, I'm not used to seeing it on stock wheels either ;-)

**Selcouth** · 05-17-2013, 01:38 AM

Originally Posted by re-rx7

It's true.

Or not cause it was first used in the 19th century for steam engines or something similar to the process known as steam cutoff.

If you are talking automotive then you can thank FIAT who successfully patent one that was fully functional in the early 60's. However, if you are about to argue who first actually put it in a production car it wasn't Honda, but Alfa Romeo in the early 80's. Honda had nothing to do with the technology till the late 80's in the automotive world. But Ford owned that shit in the truck world. Give credit where it's due. :P

re-rx7 · 05-17-2013, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by Selcouth

Or not cause it was first used in the 19th century for steam engines or something similar to the process known as steam cutoff.

If you are talking automotive then you can thank FIAT who successfully patent one that was fully functional in the early 60's. However, if you are about to argue who first actually put it in a production car it wasn't Honda, but Alfa Romeo in the early 80's. Honda had nothing to do with the technology till the late 80's in the automotive world. But Ford owned that shit in the truck world. Give credit where it's due. :P

Jesus, look up the first company that introduced cam switching. Honda was the first. Its a fact,

**Grandpa** · 05-17-2013, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by re-rx7

Jesus, look up the first company that introduced cam switching. Honda was the first. Its a fact,

Quit being an -

re-rx7 · 05-17-2013, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by Steve

Quit being an -

CLever.....

**46Tbird** · 05-17-2013, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by re-rx7

Jesus, look up the first company that introduced cam switching. Honda was the first. Its a fact,

What is cam switching? Even Google doesn't know.

re-rx7 · 05-17-2013, 05:59 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable_valve_timing

"VTEC can be considered the first "cam switching" system and is also one of only a few currently in production."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VTEC

"A third option is to change the cam timing profile, of which Honda VTEC was the first successful commercial design for altering the profile in real-time."