DUI's

[Grandpa]

Originally Posted by blownaltered Not taking personally. I just feel you are being a little out of whack on this one. Punishment should be equal with the crime and for a first time dwi that is above the crime. That is something they would give for felony not a mr meaner ( if you don't get that then you won't get it ). In my opinion if you made the bars more liable for letting their patrons leave wasted then there would be a lot less drunk drivers.

Its not up to the establishments to police their patrons. They are in busuness to make money. People should be accountable for their own actions and control the amount of consumption. If they fail to do so they should punished accordingly.

[blownaltered]

Originally Posted by Steve Its not up to the establishments to police their patrons. They are in busuness to make money. People should be accountable for their own actions and control the amount of consumption. If they fail to do so they should punished accordingly.

Correct accordingly not some ridiculous plan you have to bankrupt somebody for having one to many. It's nice to see you on top of your hill looking down on people, since you have never done anything to break the law.

[Grandpa]

Originally Posted by blownaltered Correct accordingly not some ridiculous plan you have to bankrupt somebody for having one to many. It's nice to see you on top of your hill looking down on people, since you have never done anything to break the law.

Quit being overly dramatic there is no need for it just because we have differing opinions on something. You think it's okay for people to drink and drive, I do not. No need to try to make it an ugly arguement.

You say my plan is to bankrupt someone, it's actually to deter someone from killing themselves or someone else. It is NOT okay to drink and drive in anyway you try to justify it.

[blownaltered]

Originally Posted by Steve Quit being overly dramatic there is no need for it just because we have differing opinions on something. You think it's okay for people to drink and drive, I do not. No need to try to make it an ugly arguement. You say my plan is to bankrupt someone, it's actually to deter someone from killing themselves or someone else. It is NOT okay to drink and drive in anyway you try to justify it.

Not trying to justify drinking in driving. I just saying make the penalty match the crime which your not. Someone with a .08 is no where near the same as someone with a .18 which is double the limit. Every time you hear about some asshole driving the wrong way on the highway that is around their blood level, the cowboy that just killed his buddy was a .18 that's my point. If you are going to through some ridiculous laws out there they should fit the crime. There is a hell of a difference in drinking 4 beers vs a 12 pack. I just don't see how you can't recognize that

[46Tbird]

People will always drink and drive. The system doesn't want you to STOP drinking and driving, there is too much money in fines, court costs, driving fees, surcharges, SR22 / insurance premiums, and of course legal fees. It costs around ten grand for a first offense. I've got a friend dealing with it now. He's a good guy that doesn't have a drinking problem (fyi, three beers and an hour wait before leaving will get you a .85 at 200lbs) but he does now have a very serious legal problem.

The money keeps the machine turning. There are simple ways to reduce the number of people driving drunk, but how are all these fancy new city halls and Chargers going to get paid for?

[blownaltered]

Originally Posted by 46Tbird People will always drink and drive. The system doesn't want you to STOP drinking and driving, there is too much money in fines, court costs, driving fees, surcharges, SR22 / insurance premiums, and of course legal fees. It costs around ten grand for a first offense. I've got a friend dealing with it now. He's a good guy that doesn't have a drinking problem (fyi, three beers and an hour wait before leaving will get you a .85 at 200lbs) but he does now have a very serious legal problem. The money keeps the machine turning. There are simple ways to reduce the number of people driving drunk, but how are all these fancy new city halls and Chargers going to get paid for?

That's my point 3 beers and by the rules Steve wants you lose everything. That doesn't add up to me. See people don't understand how much one really cost between probation, bail, impound, license suspension or you have to pay to get it back active, lawyers, classes its a year long ass raping. Not to mention some insurance companies cancel you right then, then you get to pay double to some shit hole insurance company. It's just not a slap on the wrist. I will say the second offense should have worse penalties than what they have and if You blow over a .12 on your first offense everything should double what it is if you blow a .08

[Grandpa]

Originally Posted by blownaltered That's my point 3 beers and by the rules Steve wants you lose everything. That doesn't add up to me. See people don't understand how much one really cost between probation, bail, impound, license suspension or you have to pay to get it back active, lawyers, classes its a year long ass raping. Not to mention some insurance companies cancel you right then, then you get to pay double to some shit hole insurance company. It's just not a slap on the wrist. I will say the second offense should have worse penalties than what they have and if You blow over a .12 on your first offense everything should double what it is if you blow a .08

It's obvious those penalities aren't enough because there are so many repeat offenders.