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blownaltered · 08-29-2013, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto

Same reason people compare $300k to $500k exotics to Corvettes and Vipers. Price difference doesn't mean the cars can't competitive to one another.

So a track oriented Camaro isn't built to compete with a track oriented Mustang?

-Alex

And people call bullshit on that as well. You can't compare a Ferrari to a vette. Crap plastic interior to hand made and installed. Come on its apples and oranges. Lets be honest the z28 was meant to compete with the gt500 not the boss. That's why the put the big motor in it and the prices are very close.

**Dominic Toretto** · 08-29-2013, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by blownaltered

And people call bullshit on that as well. You can't compare a Ferrari to a vette. Crap plastic interior to hand made and installed. Come on its apples and oranges.

I agree and disagree. A ZR1 and a 458 are entirely comparable on a track. Similar track times, etc. Now as far as buyers cross-shopping the cars, yes I do agree with you, off-track performance is negligible as everything else about the cars are extremely different.

Originally Posted by blownaltered

Lets be honest the z28 was meant to compete with the gt500 not the boss. That's why the put the big motor in it and the prices are very close.

You very well could be correct. Truth of the matter is that Chevy has not made any statements as to what products this car would be targeting. So we could both be right or wrong. However, since there is an SS and a ZL1, I see the Z/28 fitting right in the middle of those to performance wise. Both manufacturers have an base V8(SS and 5.0GT) and a super GT model(ZL1 and GT500). The Mustang has a track only variant with the Boss 302(whether it's out of production or not for one year, it is still a relevant performance car built after 2012) so what ring would you put Chevy's contender in? The ring with the 5.0GT or in the same ring with a fighter they already have for the GT500?

-Alex

blownaltered · 08-29-2013, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto

I agree and disagree. A ZR1 and a 458 are entirely comparable on a track. Similar track times, etc. Now as far as buyers cross-shopping the cars, yes I do agree with you, off-track performance is negligible as everything else about the cars are extremely different.

You very well could be correct. Truth of the matter is that Chevy has not made any statements as to what products this car would be targeting. So we could both be right or wrong. However, since there is an SS and a ZL1, I see the Z/28 fitting right in the middle of those to performance wise. Both manufacturers have an base V8(SS and 5.0GT) and a super GT model(ZL1 and GT500). The Mustang has a track only variant with the Boss 302(whether it's out of production or not for one year, it is still a relevant performance car built after 2012) so what ring would you put Chevy's contender in? The ring with the 5.0GT or in the same ring with a fighter they already have for the GT500?

-Alex

Honestly I would put the SS about the ZL1. Its got the LS7, the better brakes, etc. In my opinion the ZL1 wasn't a huge success so they went back to the drawing board and they did what they should have done in the first place. If mustang came back out with the cobra R then I think we would have a better comparison, but I don't see that happening.

**Dominic Toretto** · 08-29-2013, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by blownaltered

Honestly I would put the SS about the ZL1.

Going to make an educated guess and assume you meant Z/28 instead of SS in the above statement.

Originally Posted by blownaltered

Its got the LS7, the better brakes, etc. In my opinion the ZL1 wasn't a huge success so they went back to the drawing board and they did what they should have done in the first place. If mustang came back out with the cobra R then I think we would have a better comparison, but I don't see that happening.

This is a very respectable post. I could talk cars with you anytime. You don't preach your opinion as fact, you give your opinion, as do I.

The LS7 is nice and all but the engine in the ZL1 is more powerful. And from a modification standpoint, better, having better internals and built for boost from the factory. People have boosted the LS7 but with the inherent exhaust valve problems and thin cylinder wall spacing, I wouldn't. I just watched a video of Randy Pobst comparing the ZL1 and GT500 and they ranked the ZL1 the winner even though it was a slower car. The reason they picked it above all else, was that it was a consistent car. The GT500 was faster only once around the track they were on until the brakes started fading. But that's getting off topic. My point is that, it seems, in my opinion that the ZL1 was/is fine as it is and didn't seem to need a replacement. But we don't know yet as the full Camaro line-up isn't available yet. So I guess we will see.

-Alex