Jay Leno drives the 2014 Z28

[BLK2012GT]

He's the first person outside of GM to drive. Still looks slow.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc-T...embedded#at=64

[rriddle3]

Only 100 lbs less than the SS, no standard a/c, no power seat, no auto transmission, 'at least' 500 HP...price north of $56,000.
Not for me.

[faztcobra]

Originally Posted by rriddle3 Only 100 lbs less than the SS, no standard a/c, no power seat, no auto transmission, 'at least' 500 HP...price north of $56,000. Not for me.

For that, you'd be in GT500 territory, with much better options. I'd take the Boss over that.

[re-rx7]

Thats extremely pricey. Shit anything handles with 305's all the way around.

[blownaltered]

60k and no a/c, I'm good. That is one over prices car.

[re-rx7]

Originally Posted by blownaltered 60k and no a/c, I'm good. That is one over prices car.

Granted limited run cars are a bitch to make but still.

[Dominic Toretto]

Originally Posted by re-rx7 Thats extremely pricey. Shit anything handles with 305's all the way around.

Early model Vipers have 335s in the back and 275s in the front. Just sayin.

-Alex

[re-rx7]

And your point being? I said 305's.

[Dominic Toretto]

Originally Posted by faztcobra For that, you'd be in GT500 territory, with much better options. I'd take the Boss over that.

This car is obviously not aimed at the GT500. I'd easily take this over a Boss. Let's see:

56 more horsepower Advantage = Z/28

Almost 100 more ft/lbs of torque Advantage = Z/28

Undoubtedly a far sooner power delivery from the LS7 Advantage = Z/28

Power to weight for Boss is 444/3580= 0.124hp/lb, Z/28 is 500/3760 = 0.133 Advantage = Z/28

255/285s on the Boss means 1080 total contact patch, Z/28 is 1220 = Advantage Z/28

Torque to weight for Boss is 380/3580=0.106tq/lb, 470/3760= 0.125 = Advantage Z/28

Oh and just adding the Camaro comes standard with carbon ceramic brakes. Those will outperform the brakes on a GT500 all day and night.

Oh and who runs the AC while racing? Man I understand this is a Mustang site but damn the delusion is strong in this thread.

-Alex

[Dominic Toretto]

Originally Posted by re-rx7 And your point being? I said 305's.

Bigger tires doesn't automatically mean a car will handle better. Thought that point was obvious.

The C7 has 275s in the back and handles better than the Grandsport with 325s.

A Honda S2000 will out handle most of the cars on this forum around a track and has very small tires.

-Alex

[blownaltered]

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto This car is obviously not aimed at the GT500. I'd easily take this over a Boss. Let's see: 56 more horsepower Advantage = Z/28 Almost 100 more ft/lbs of torque Advantage = Z/28 Undoubtedly a far sooner power delivery from the LS7 Advantage = Z/28 Power to weight for Boss is 444/3580= 0.124hp/lb, Z/28 is 500/3760 = 0.133 Advantage = Z/28 255/285s on the Boss means 1080 total contact patch, Z/28 is 1220 = Advantage Z/28 Torque to weight for Boss is 380/3580=0.106tq/lb, 470/3760= 0.125 = Advantage Z/28 Oh and just adding the Camaro comes standard with carbon ceramic brakes. Those will outperform the brakes on a GT500 all day and night. Oh and who runs the AC while racing? Man I understand this is a Mustang site but damn the delusion is strong in this thread. -Alex

I'm trying to figure out why you switched cars in the middle of your comparison. You started with the gt500 then went to the Boss, then back to the gt500. If your trying to compare two cars you might want to use the stats from those cars and not add in a different one half way through. Your results are not accurate when you do that.

[re-rx7]

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto Bigger tires doesn't automatically mean a car will handle better. Thought that point was obvious. The C7 has 275s in the back and handles better than the Grandsport with 325s. A Honda S2000 will out handle most of the cars on this forum around a track and has very small tires. -Alex

S2k small tires? No shit? !! Wait. Doesn't it weigh 500lbs less? Bigger tires offer more contact patch so most likely any car will handle better with wider tires.

[Dominic Toretto]

Originally Posted by blownaltered I'm trying to figure out why you switched cars in the middle of your comparison. You started with the gt500 then went to the Boss, then back to the gt500. If your trying to compare two cars you might want to use the stats from those cars and not add in a different one half way through. Your results are not accurate when you do that.

Huh? Uh, all of the stats except the very last one were in comparison to the Boss 302. Quick review of my own post:



This car is obviously not aimed at the GT500. I'd easily take this over a Boss. Let's see: (As stated, not in comparison to a GT500 lol)

56 more horsepower Advantage = Z/28(Uh the Z/28 has far less power than a GT500, so NOT in comparison to a GT500 lol)

Almost 100 more ft/lbs of torque Advantage = Z/28(Uh the Z/28 doesn't have more torque than a GT500, so not comparing to the GT500 lol)

Undoubtedly a far sooner power delivery from the LS7 Advantage = Z/28(Still comparing the Z/28 to the Boss 302 since this is obviously not in comparison to the GT500 lol)

Power to weight for Boss is 444/3580= 0.124hp/lb, Z/28 is 500/3760 = 0.133 Advantage = Z/28(Again, this isn't true to a GT500 since that car weighs more than 3580lbs lol)

255/285s on the Boss means 1080 total contact patch, Z/28 is 1220 = Advantage Z/28(As stated in the sentence... Boss, not GT500)

Torque to weight for Boss is 380/3580=0.106tq/lb, 470/3760= 0.125 = Advantage Z/28(Not being compared to the GT500 since it makes far more than 380ft lbs of torque... oh and I said Boss in the sentence)

Oh and just adding the Camaro comes standard with carbon ceramic brakes. Those will outperform the brakes on a GT500 all day and night.(Just through that in there to point out that this car comes standard with better brakes than Ford's best Mustang so obviously the brakes would humiliate those on the "medium" level car)

Oh and who runs the AC while racing? Man I understand this is a Mustang site but damn the delusion is strong in this thread.

-Alex

Originally Posted by re-rx7 S2k small tires? No shit? !! Wait. Doesn't it weigh 500lbs less? Bigger tires offer more contact patch so most likely any car will handle better with wider tires.

Wow, so when you comparison shop for tires, you make your decisions solely by the width for full performance aspects? You don't take into account the tires intended purpose, sidewall, manufacturer, tread design or anything else. How the fuck do you think a Corvette with smaller tires handles BETTER than a Corvette with larger tires? I guess it's safe to assume then that you would prefer to have 255 Bridgestone Blizzaks over a 225 Toyo Proxes R888 for a roadcourse lol. The Blizzaks are wider than the R888s, so they must be better for autocross and drag right LOL?

-Alex

[re-rx7]

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto Huh? Uh, all of the stats except the very last one were in comparison to the Boss 302. Quick review of my own post: This car is obviously not aimed at the GT500. I'd easily take this over a Boss. Let's see: (As stated, not in comparison to a GT500 lol) 56 more horsepower Advantage = Z/28(Uh the Z/28 has far less power than a GT500, so NOT in comparison to a GT500 lol) Almost 100 more ft/lbs of torque Advantage = Z/28(Uh the Z/28 doesn't have more torque than a GT500, so not comparing to the GT500 lol) Undoubtedly a far sooner power delivery from the LS7 Advantage = Z/28(Still comparing the Z/28 to the Boss 302 since this is obviously not in comparison to the GT500 lol) Power to weight for Boss is 444/3580= 0.124hp/lb, Z/28 is 500/3760 = 0.133 Advantage = Z/28(Again, this isn't true to a GT500 since that car weighs more than 3580lbs lol) 255/285s on the Boss means 1080 total contact patch, Z/28 is 1220 = Advantage Z/28(As stated in the sentence... Boss, not GT500) Torque to weight for Boss is 380/3580=0.106tq/lb, 470/3760= 0.125 = Advantage Z/28(Not being compared to the GT500 since it makes far more than 380ft lbs of torque... oh and I said Boss in the sentence) Oh and just adding the Camaro comes standard with carbon ceramic brakes. Those will outperform the brakes on a GT500 all day and night.(Just through that in there to point out that this car comes standard with better brakes than Ford's best Mustang so obviously the brakes would humiliate those on the "medium" level car) Oh and who runs the AC while racing? Man I understand this is a Mustang site but damn the delusion is strong in this thread. -Alex Wow, so when you comparison shop for tires, you make your decisions solely by the width for full performance aspects? You don't take into account the tires intended purpose, sidewall, manufacturer, tread design or anything else. How the fuck do you think a Corvette with smaller tires handles BETTER than a Corvette with larger tires? I guess it's safe to assume then that you would prefer to have 255 Bridgestone Blizzaks over a 225 Toyo Proxes R888 for a roadcourse lol. The Blizzaks are wider than the R888s, so they must be better for autocross and drag right LOL? -Alex

Holy shit. You think you know something about suspensions and driving?
Blizzaks and and r888's huh? Do you even know what compound those tires use? Did you even take into account the weight? Aero? Every car acts different to suspension. I say that the z28 needs large tires for weight. The weight is the reason for the large tires. A lot of weight.

[Dominic Toretto]

Originally Posted by re-rx7 Holy shit. You think you know something about suspensions and driving? Blizzaks and and r888's huh? Do you even know what compound those tires use? Did you even take into account the weight? Aero? Every car acts different to suspension. I say that the z28 needs large tires for weight. The weight is the reason for the large tires. A lot of weight.

... okay dude.

-Alex