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[DR281]

Wow!
There is definately two sides to every story!
Downtime, you were never put off or made to leave or avoided. It was the opposite. I jumped in your car as soon as you would arrive to try to find your complaints. Numerous times you drove the car and said it was good then later had an issue. I went for a ride with you and you said it was good and couldn't make the car act up.
I don't claim to be perfect or the only one capable of tuning a car. However if something is not right I will put in as much time is necesary to make it right. So to say you were avoided is a flat out lie.
There are no injectors designed for returnless or return so that's another lie. There are tons of boost a pumps that are wired up to run all the time with no issue. That does not cause a problem.
You knowingly bought used parts so don't make it seem like we put used parts on your car when you thought they were new.
I am sorry it didn't turn out the way you wanted but you drove and raced the car across the country without issues.
If the other shop made it so perfect for you, why did you make it back to stock?
Again I am sorry it didn't turn out the way you thought or you weren't happy. However we would have done whatever necesary to make it right. No corners cut!

62nalide you are full of it!
Davids car has a problem and still does! A full bolt on coyote should not make 373rw on E-85.
We never tuned the car on E-85, so if you dynoed it with E-85 I'm sure it didn't perform correctly.
We tuned this car a long time ago and it only made 365rw. We told him something was not right. His answer was "I beat everyone".
Months later he decided to add longtubes. So we retuned it and it gained 0 hp. Still made 365rw. When we advised him that something was still not right. Now a full bolt on car with long tubes was making less then stock. When we said we needed to look further into it, he said he was going to sell it.
So with E-85 and this badass tune it made 373rw? Thats supposed to be good? Still less then stock? Wow!
It's no wonder it wasn't running good on E-85 with my 93 tune. However the badass tune was only 8rw over my 93 tune.
I spoke with Noah about this car and he said you are full of shit.
Unfortunately there are customers that are unhappy sometimes. However we will do everything in our power to try to make them happy. We have had deals were we lose money on jobs or bend over backwards to try to help someone. Sometimes people just choose to try something else.

[62nalide]

Originally Posted by DR281 Wow! There is definately two sides to every story! Downtime, you were never put off or made to leave or avoided. It was the opposite. I jumped in your car as soon as you would arrive to try to find your complaints. Numerous times you drove the car and said it was good then later had an issue. I went for a ride with you and you said it was good and couldn't make the car act up. I don't claim to be perfect or the only one capable of tuning a car. However if something is not right I will put in as much time is necesary to make it right. So to say you were avoided is a flat out lie. There are no injectors designed for returnless or return so that's another lie. There are tons of boost a pumps that are wired up to run all the time with no issue. That does not cause a problem. You knowingly bought used parts so don't make it seem like we put used parts on your car when you thought they were new. I am sorry it didn't turn out the way you wanted but you drove and raced the car across the country without issues. If the other shop made it so perfect for you, why did you make it back to stock? Again I am sorry it didn't turn out the way you thought or you weren't happy. However we would have done whatever necesary to make it right. No corners cut! 62nalide you are full of it! Davids car has a problem and still does! A full bolt on coyote should not make 373rw on E-85. We never tuned the car on E-85, so if you dynoed it with E-85 I'm sure it didn't perform correctly. We tuned this car a long time ago and it only made 365rw. We told him something was not right. His answer was "I beat everyone". Months later he decided to add longtubes. So we retuned it and it gained 0 hp. Still made 365rw. When we advised him that something was still not right. Now a full bolt on car with long tubes was making less then stock. When we said we needed to look further into it, he said he was going to sell it. So with E-85 and this badass tune it made 373rw? Thats supposed to be good? Still less then stock? Wow! It's no wonder it wasn't running good on E-85 with my 93 tune. However the badass tune was only 8rw over my 93 tune. I spoke with Noah about this car and he said you are full of shit. Unfortunately there are customers that are unhappy sometimes. However we will do everything in our power to try to make them happy. We have had deals were we lose money on jobs or bend over backwards to try to help someone. Sometimes people just choose to try something else.

Ok if I'm so full of shit why did it run faster and mph more than what was done at HPP? I'm going to have to call Noah and question future business with him. If he did I'm full of shit. I took screen shots of this for reference.

[blownaltered]

Originally Posted by 62nalide Ok if I'm so full of shit why did it run faster and mph more than what was done at HPP? I'm going to have to call Noah and question future business with him. If he did I'm full of shit. I took screen shots of this for reference.

You act like all the shops in Dallas are at war and don't talk to each other. They damn near all talk to each other. I can't tell you how many times I have been at one shop and another shop will call to see if they had a part or a question about something.

[62nalide]

Originally Posted by blownaltered You act like all the shops in Dallas are at war and don't talk to each other. They damn near all talk to each other. I can't tell you how many times I have been at one shop and another shop will call to see if they had a part or a question about something.

Dude I know how this works. I am not new to this.
Thanks though.

[blownaltered]

Originally Posted by 62nalide Dude I know how this works. I am not new to this. Thanks though.

If you think those numbers are good then you are new to this.

[62nalide]

Originally Posted by blownaltered If you think those numbers are good then you are new to this.

What numbers? Track or dyno?
The track numbers are there lol
Car has LT CAI Exhaust and E85 tune
7.70s is good for a car on 20s lol

[downtime!]

Originally Posted by DR281 Wow! There is definately two sides to every story! Downtime, you were never put off or made to leave or avoided. It was the opposite. I jumped in your car as soon as you would arrive to try to find your complaints. Numerous times you drove the car and said it was good then later had an issue. I went for a ride with you and you said it was good and couldn't make the car act up. I don't claim to be perfect or the only one capable of tuning a car. However if something is not right I will put in as much time is necesary to make it right. So to say you were avoided is a flat out lie. There are no injectors designed for returnless or return so that's another lie. There are tons of boost a pumps that are wired up to run all the time with no issue. That does not cause a problem. You knowingly bought used parts so don't make it seem like we put used parts on your car when you thought they were new. I am sorry it didn't turn out the way you wanted but you drove and raced the car across the country without issues. If the other shop made it so perfect for you, why did you make it back to stock? Again I am sorry it didn't turn out the way you thought or you weren't happy. However we would have done whatever necesary to make it right. No corners cut!

The only used part I knowingly bought was the blower itself, it had been on the gold car for a couple of months, we both knew that. Everything else was supposed to be new, according to your words. The boost a pump didn't even have end caps on it, just wires sticking out that had been hack spliced into the fuel pump harness and not even soldered. Same goes for the wires up front on the MAF harness. Twisted and taped, no solder. Didn't use the template for the cold air kit, fit like shit, had to cut the inner fender liner to get everything to fit right. Wood screw holding the cold air pipe to the fender, that was tightened down so much it stripped the hole and just spun. Yeah, I made all that stuff up.

And yes, the car ran great at the track, but what I asked for was "drives like stock, just more of it", I believe I even went on at length about not wanting to mess with the way it delivered the power. Your words to me? No problem, we can do that.

As to not running me off, what choice did you leave me? Brad would "forget" to call me back every time I called. When I called back, and got through, it was always the "shop is busy" excuse. I tried to hit him up on FB when I had had enough and was ready to take everything off, and it took him 2 weeks to give me an answer after he said he'd get right back to me.

That's why the car ended up back with Travis. The look on his face when he saw the work was classic.

It was clear that y'all had had enough of me and my business, and had no intentions of ever making it right. If y'all had done things right, we wouldn't be having this conversation now would we?

[BLK2012GT]

Originally Posted by downtime! The only used part I knowingly bought was the blower itself, it had been on the gold car for a couple of months, we both knew that. Everything else was supposed to be new, according to your words. The boost a pump didn't even have end caps on it, just wires sticking out that had been hack spliced into the fuel pump harness and not even soldered. Same goes for the wires up front on the MAF harness. Twisted and taped, no solder. Didn't use the template for the cold air kit, fit like shit, had to cut the inner fender liner to get everything to fit right. Wood screw holding the cold air pipe to the fender, that was tightened down so much it stripped the hole and just spun. Yeah, I made all that stuff up. And yes, the car ran great at the track, but what I asked for was "drives like stock, just more of it", I believe I even went on at length about not wanting to mess with the way it delivered the power. Your words to me? No problem, we can do that. As to not running me off, what choice did you leave me? Brad would "forget" to call me back every time I called. When I called back, and got through, it was always the "shop is busy" excuse. I tried to hit him up on FB when I had had enough and was ready to take everything off, and it took him 2 weeks to give me an answer after he said he'd get right back to me. That's why the car ended up back with Travis. The look on his face when he saw the work was classic. It was clear that y'all had had enough of me and my business, and had no intentions of ever making it right. If y'all had done things right, we wouldn't be having this conversation now would we?

This has to be a first, really bitching about Hpp work and thinking Gearheads does good work? Wtf

[DR281]

What's weird is when you came to our shop, you were bashing ghp in the same way. Maybe you were in search of some mythical creature. Some people you can try as hard as you can but you just can't please. I would have loved to see that. Nobody just twist wires together & tapes them. Sorry not buying it. The inner fender must be trimmed for the 4.5" tube. I don't buy the wood screw either. We don't have any of those up there. Maybe they made a special trip just for you. Again sorry you weren't satisfied. Like I said I tried & would have kept trying. When me & you went for a ride you said it was good & couldn't make it do anything you have described. Good luck to you. Keep bashing away about something that happened over 2 years ago. I'm out just wanted to put out the other side.

[downtime!]

Originally Posted by DR281 What's weird is when you came to our shop, you were bashing ghp in the same way. Maybe you were in search of some mythical creature. Some people you can try as hard as you can but you just can't please. I would have loved to see that. Nobody just twist wires together & tapes them. Sorry not buying it. The inner fender must be trimmed for the 4.5" tube. I don't buy the wood screw either. We don't have any of those up there. Maybe they made a special trip just for you. Again sorry you weren't satisfied. Like I said I tried & would have kept trying. When me & you went for a ride you said it was good & couldn't make it do anything you have described. Good luck to you. Keep bashing away about something that happened over 2 years ago. I'm out just wanted to put out the other side.

If you remember when I came in, the only thing about GHP I was pissed about was the guy in the front office (I never can remember his name) that took all the information down for the Fox project, and said he'd call me back with prices that afternoon, and 3 weeks later I still hadn't heard anything from him. Exactly why I initially gave Brad such high praise, since he called me everyday with updates in the beginning. I never said anything bad about Travis, and never will. He's fixed jacked up work from other shops for me more than once, including yours. He had the car for two weeks, but when I got it back it idled normally, didn't die at redlights and basically ran just like I wanted it to originally.

And you don't have to buy anything. Myself, Frank Rodriguez (we used his shop) and Jonathan Kelley were all present when we took her back to stock. We couldn't believe the amount of hack work done. The best part of the whole deal was the fact that when Brad did finally get back to em to give me the estimate for removing the blower, the number was $1200. If I calculate correctly, that comes out to about 15 hours of labor. In 10 hours, we had the long tubes off and installed on another car, the blower off of my car, and about 80 % installed on Jonathan's car. All without the benefit of the manual that I asked for from y'all but never received. I paid for everything in the box, did I not?

In all the time that has passed, I had never said one word bad about the shop. My worst comments were "I got 90% of what you promised me" and "yes, he can tune cars, just couldn't tune mine". It was only after seeing the "quality" of the work that I stopped caring.

It's funny too, thinking back on getting started in modular cars. All I ever wanted was a car done by HPP. Everyone that was anyone back then was singing the praises. My first projects weren't "cool" enough for y'all (Procharged 2V car, nitrous 4.0 6 cylinder car, etc.) to even talk to me about back then. I brought the 4.0 car up when y'all were still in the old building and couldn't get the time of day from anyone there. We did manage to get it on the dyno for some baseline runs, but that's as far it went.

What I learned from all this is to be careful what you wish for, since it just might come true, and you might not necessarily be happy with the results.

Anyway, it's all water under the bridge now. Y'all didn't care enough to keep me in the first place, you wouldn't make the effort now, and even if you did try, what is my incentive to think the quality of the work done would be any better now than then? I'm done with new cars anyway, having too much fun with the old Mopars again.

[downtime!]

Originally Posted by DR281 What's weird is when you came to our shop, you were bashing ghp in the same way. Maybe you were in search of some mythical creature. Some people you can try as hard as you can but you just can't please. I would have loved to see that. Nobody just twist wires together & tapes them. Sorry not buying it. The inner fender must be trimmed for the 4.5" tube. I don't buy the wood screw either. We don't have any of those up there. Maybe they made a special trip just for you. Again sorry you weren't satisfied. Like I said I tried & would have kept trying. When me & you went for a ride you said it was good & couldn't make it do anything you have described. Good luck to you. Keep bashing away about something that happened over 2 years ago. I'm out just wanted to put out the other side.

And my mistake on the wood screw, it was actually a sheet metal screw. The type that holds siding on a metal building. Still had the rubber washer on it too.

[downtime!]

Originally Posted by BLK2012GT This has to be a first, really bitching about Hpp work and thinking Gearheads does good work? Wtf

Travis has never let me down. He's tuned a number of cars for me over the years, and fixed what other shops haven't been able to as well. I'll admit, he's had his fair share of questionable shop help, but as far as his work goes, it's always been good. If he has a tuning flaw, and they all do, it's that he tends to tune things very conservatively, leaving a lot of power on the table. And I completely understand why he does that.