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PLASMAN 12-13-2013 11:43 PM

I would haggle down to $32k maybe its a little high and just because they added $10k of mods the cost doesn't transfer when selling

Zeek 12-14-2013 01:05 AM

If your gonna buy a used car for 30k+ get a 2008+ C6

03MachMe 12-14-2013 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeek (Post 58989)
If your gonna buy a used car for 30k+ get a 2008+ C6

Sure if you want to look like an old man with E.D.

JDBishopArts 12-14-2013 11:44 AM

Only vette I'd ever own is a C6Z06. ANDDDdddd maybe a new C7

5PointSlow 12-15-2013 03:54 AM

Can't go wrong with a blown 5.0. My TVS car was one of the ones you were looking at.

Dan12GT 12-15-2013 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by merlinmol (Post 58973)
As far as I know edelbrock kits don't make the power, I personally think they are ugly as well. If they cost the same as the other S/C's then its definitely not worth it.

I honestly cannot say I have even ever heard of someone buying one. The kits advertise efficiency so I really cannot say how well they actually do. The Eddlebrock SEMA car however did make like 495 to the wheels, on the boxed tune the kit comes with. Which is about the same level of power most all of these kits make. Most people obviously get custom tunes or pulley down for more power.

2011gt/cs 12-16-2013 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeek (Post 58989)
If your gonna buy a used car for 30k+ get a 2008+ C6

Honestly, I'd love a C6 Z06, my father had one, but it's honestly not a very practical DD.
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Originally Posted by PLASMAN (Post 58985)
I would haggle down to $32k maybe its a little high and just because they added $10k of mods the cost doesn't transfer when selling

I would do 32 or even 33, but yeah, 36.5 just seems like a little much to spend on a used mustang gt, even though he does have a decent amount of money sunk into it.
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Originally Posted by 5PointSlow (Post 59045)
Can't go wrong with a blown 5.0. My TVS car was one of the ones you were looking at.

Hey man, what's up. Your's is still at the top of my list for sure. It's a beast and very well done.


With all the cars I've looked at recently, I've just been taking my time as to not make a rash decision.

5PointSlow 12-17-2013 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by 2011gt/cs (Post 59109)
Honestly, I'd love a C6 Z06, my father had one, but it's honestly not a very practical DD.

I would do 32 or even 33, but yeah, 36.5 just seems like a little much to spend on a used mustang gt, even though he does have a decent amount of money sunk into it.

Hey man, what's up. Your's is still at the top of my list for sure. It's a beast and very well done.


With all the cars I've looked at recently, I've just been taking my time as to not make a rash decision.

Things are good, just had a couple days inport. that's why im in and out of the forums lol.

KungFuHamster 12-18-2013 09:21 AM

this thread. wow. :okay2:

Dominic Toretto 12-18-2013 10:02 AM

You guys with blowers, are you building the bottom end or just slapping on a blower, boosting the hell out of it and calling it a day?

-Alex

BERT 12-18-2013 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto (Post 59158)
You guys with blowers, are you building the bottom end or just slapping on a blower, boosting the hell out of it and calling it a day?

-Alex



I don't think anybody on here is building a bottom end until it lets go. At least not that I can tell.

Dominic Toretto 12-18-2013 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BERT (Post 59162)
I don't think anybody on here is building a bottom end until it lets go. At least not that I can tell.

Hmmmm... wouldn't it be cheaper to build it right the first time?

-Alex

Crimson600+HP 12-18-2013 11:54 AM

I don't plan on upping the boost in my car anytime soon. I am keeping it fairly tame since this car sees more daily driving and road course duty than time at the strip. If I ever get the wild hair to go faster, I will probably build the bottom end/internals.

BERT 12-18-2013 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto (Post 59164)
Hmmmm... wouldn't it be cheaper to build it right the first time?

-Alex




Depends on how long the bottom end lasts lol

Dominic Toretto 12-18-2013 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Crimson600+HP (Post 59166)
I don't plan on upping the boost in my car anytime soon. I am keeping it fairly tame since this car sees more daily driving and road course duty than time at the strip. If I ever get the wild hair to go faster, I will probably build the bottom end/internals.

I didn't read the whole thread, how soon does boost come on in the rpm range and how much boost is it tuned for currently?

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Originally Posted by BERT (Post 59168)
Depends on how long the bottom end lasts lol

From what I understand the stock crank is already the same forged one in the Boss 302. Not sure about the connecting rods and pistons but I doubt Ford would use Forged pistons and rods on such a highly produced car.

-Alex

BERT 12-18-2013 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto (Post 59169)
I didn't read the whole thread, how soon does boost come on in the rpm range and how much boost is it tuned for currently?



From what I understand the stock crank is already the same forged one in the Boss 302. Not sure about the connecting rods and pistons but I doubt Ford would use Forged pistons and rods on such a highly produced car.

-Alex



Been told the rods are the weak point in the GT's

Hagen3great 12-18-2013 01:47 PM

Ive heard the piston ring landings are weak as well.

pohnjarker 12-18-2013 07:45 PM

I heard the driver is the weak link on the new 5.0s...especially in the group

JDBishopArts 12-18-2013 08:24 PM

With a good tune most people are keeping the stock block together up to the 650HP mark. Past that it seems to be just a matter of time.

Toby 12-18-2013 11:49 PM

It's all a shot in the dark. I just tore apart a 100% bone stock 5.0 engine no intake, exhaust etc and it has broken ring lands on 5 pistons!! Cylinders 2, and 5-8 all are broken.

To answer the question about boss vs gt, the cranks are exactly the same save for the balance job. The pistons are a mahle brand forging and the rods are an, IMO, weaker then stock gt, very thin rod. Also there seems to be assumptions that the boss rods and pistons are lighter, when in fact they are heavier then the gt stuff. I will tank pics and give weights tomorrow when I get back to the shop but IMO I would say the gt stuff may be stronger.

<620 rwhp you should be fine unless the ringlands fail. More then that you are just on borrowed time IMO. Another major weaklink is the block for you crazy hp guys. The sleeves are extremely thin, I would not recommend more then 850 rwhp on a stock block. More then that an you are just on borrowed time.

At this point I have built about 15 of these coyote engines with 4 in the shop now waiting to get done. I have pretty much seen every different failure and each time it's either number 8 failure a ringland fails or just too much damn power for a stock short block at 700+.

Take it for what it's worth, this is just my own hands on experience with these engines.

Now to answer the op, personally I am a little bias to procharger. I have installed every brand except vortech and hands down the procharger is the easiest and simplest kit to install. It requires very little to no modification to the vehicle with everything being reversible and not having to cut every piece of plastic under the good like some of the other brands. The kb kits are also very nice but come at a price.

I personally am considering a procharger for my ls swapped c10. Hehe

Slow Five-O 12-19-2013 12:41 AM

What procharger would you recommend? I like the idea of just o/r exhaust, a circle d convertor and a procharger and that's it. (besides whatever supporting mods needed. Bap, oil pump? etc.)

Grandpa 12-19-2013 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Slow Five-O (Post 59225)
What procharger would you recommend? I like the idea of just o/r exhaust, a circle d convertor and a procharger and that's it. (besides whatever supporting mods needed. Bap, oil pump? etc.)

D-1 at the very least. :favorites13:

Crimson600+HP 12-19-2013 01:05 AM

My P1SC is still running the canned ProCharger tune set for 7 PSI. Right now I am working with getting a dyno session with Maximum Velocity for a Lund Tune. I have some issue with drive ability under light throttle that I am looking to get fixed. As for the RPM range, you can feel the centri really kicking in between 3-4k range.

Dominic Toretto 12-19-2013 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Toby (Post 59222)
It's all a shot in the dark. I just tore apart a 100% bone stock 5.0 engine no intake, exhaust etc and it has broken ring lands on 5 pistons!! Cylinders 2, and 5-8 all are broken.

To answer the question about boss vs gt, the cranks are exactly the same save for the balance job. The pistons are a mahle brand forging and the rods are an, IMO, weaker then stock gt, very thin rod. Also there seems to be assumptions that the boss rods and pistons are lighter, when in fact they are heavier then the gt stuff. I will tank pics and give weights tomorrow when I get back to the shop but IMO I would say the gt stuff may be stronger.

<620 rwhp you should be fine unless the ringlands fail. More then that you are just on borrowed time IMO. Another major weaklink is the block for you crazy hp guys. The sleeves are extremely thin, I would not recommend more then 850 rwhp on a stock block. More then that an you are just on borrowed time.

At this point I have built about 15 of these coyote engines with 4 in the shop now waiting to get done. I have pretty much seen every different failure and each time it's either number 8 failure a ringland fails or just too much damn power for a stock short block at 700+.

Take it for what it's worth, this is just my own hands on experience with these engines.

Thanks for the quality post. Very interested to see comparison shots between the internals of the GT and Boss. Thanks for again comfirming the GT and Boss have the same crank. You stated that the pistons are a forged Mahle, is that for the Boss, GT or both?

-Alex

STROKD 12-19-2013 11:25 AM

Id like to race one of these sc'd 50s...

Grandpa 12-19-2013 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by STROKD (Post 59237)
Id like to race one of these sc'd 50s...

Start with Merlin, then JDBishop.

JDBishopArts 12-19-2013 12:42 PM

Fastest I've been was 11.6 at 124 with 20" 555rs. 1.9 60ft. Just you give you an idea. And I am having to shift into 5th before the trap.

Toby 12-19-2013 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto (Post 59236)
Thanks for the quality post. Very interested to see comparison shots between the internals of the GT and Boss. Thanks for again comfirming the GT and Boss have the same crank. You stated that the pistons are a forged Mahle, is that for the Boss, GT or both?

-Alex

The mahle pistons are in the boss. The gt come with a cast piston. Sorry I won't be able to get the comparison pictures today, my daughter has the flu so I am home with her today. I will get them tomorrow though.

STROKD 12-19-2013 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JDBishopArts (Post 59247)
Fastest I've been was 11.6 at 124 with 20" 555rs. 1.9 60ft. Just you give you an idea. And I am having to shift into 5th before the trap.

To be honest, this car has never been to the track as the current combo is all new. But you run exactly what I feel the car is capable of, so utd be a fun race. Dead stop on the street?

JDBishopArts 12-19-2013 03:03 PM

I'm game. I don't know what I dyno with the new tune but I'd imagine it's in the 560 range.

Grandpa 12-19-2013 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JDBishopArts (Post 59256)
I'd imagine it's in the 560 range.

Ha. ;)

Dominic Toretto 12-19-2013 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Toby (Post 59249)
The mahle pistons are in the boss. The gt come with a cast piston. Sorry I won't be able to get the comparison pictures today, my daughter has the flu so I am home with her today. I will get them tomorrow though.

I was definitely not trying to rush you on the pics. Hope your daughter feels better soon :).

-Alex

JDBishopArts 12-19-2013 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 59258)
Ha. ;)

Lol it probably is for now. After E85 it will be a little different.

Grandpa 12-19-2013 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JDBishopArts (Post 59260)
Lol it probably is for now. After E85 it will be a little different.

I love your car. Everytime I see it makes me think twice about no body mods. I'm sure your car will be a good run for Strokd's Vanilla Ice machine.

JDBishopArts 12-19-2013 03:31 PM

Thanks Steve. Trying to keep it subtle. I keep going back and forth on the CF hood vents. Once the lower grille comes in I'll be just about done with exterior mods. Then back to motor.

Grandpa 12-19-2013 03:37 PM

I agree. After a few red cars in a row now, I wanted this one to be understated, clean and subtle as well. I find myself wondering sometimes if it's too understated though and needs some kind of exterior mod. I really do like the throwback look of the 68 Stang it has right now though.


Back to the race topic though - I think JD, Strokd and Merlin should do a three wide race to see how that goes. Would be a fun race to see!

2011gt/cs 12-30-2013 11:17 PM

Well my car is for sale so I can move on to one of these FI 5.0's that I'm seeing for sale!
There are a ton for sale in the 30-35k range with a lot of mods

Phuck Phace 12-30-2013 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 2011gt/cs (Post 59847)
Well my car is for sale so I can move on to one of these FI 5.0's that I'm seeing for sale!
There are a ton for sale in the 30-35k range with a lot of mods


Looking to buy a blown 5-0 eh???

2011gt/cs 12-31-2013 12:24 AM

Yep, as soon as mine is gone there are a few I'm going to put in offers on the very same day

Boss949 12-31-2013 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by 5PointSlow (Post 59045)
Can't go wrong with a blown 5.0. My TVS car was one of the ones you were looking at.

5PointSlow,

I noticed in your sig, you have Shaun's tunes.

I have his tunes on my N/A now and I'll probably take his advice and get a Roush Phase 2, ID1000's, etc..

Just curious as to how you liked performance, etc. Any heat soak problems in Tx, OK heat?

Thanks


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