Not lying, its what Ive seen, not read.

Read post 12 again. If you didnt know a z51 is not a base car, nor when i say loaded does this refer to a base car. Just sayin.

A loaded Stingray is almost 80 k, about 20 more than a loaded GS/F55/z51 c6.

Corvettes are better then mustangs

If you disagree you're wrong


If you don't chew big red, fuck you

I will agree with you only if I get to sit in the Viper. I won't even ask for a ride. :D

lol the Viper is the local whipping boy, just come ask and you can sit in it, move the seat, mirrors, look under the hood...I dont care man


Just a bunch of metal and plastic. I could give a shit what badge a vehicle wears.

I still need to take you up on the offer to pick up the Viper to take the wife out to dinner in it. Our anniversary is coming up soon. :)



<----has driven the Viper. :D

Move the mirrors! Oh hells yes. :lol:

Haha come get it

ROFL okay.

-Alex

What you're failing to realize is that both Junkie and Strokd have FAR FAR more racing experience and have been MUCH faster than you ever have in many different types of cars and they are telling you from personal experience. You're taking your information straight off the internet from God knows where like some hack journalist with a personal agenda who is being paid for their endorsement. Many of us have already seen what the new Vette's are doing on the street and they are pretty much on par with C6 performance or even slightly weaker.

No it's not that at all. I have great respect for their personal experience and race knowledge. I don't doubt that they may have in fact seen someone drive a C6 faster than a C7 but, as we all know, that doesn't equate that C6s are faster than C7s. Not stock for stock. If you put the same driver in a C6 in a C7, the C7 will be faster all day everyday.

I don't agree that a few handfulls of instances dictate overall performance and drivers across the board. I highly doubt Chevrolet would spend this much R&D to make more power, use better tires, make the car more slippery to make it accelerate slower than the previous car. I know Ferrari got away with it with the F50 from the F40 but not on the home front :).

-Alex

What your saying has been tested, and you're wrong.


go back to the internetz and google some shit

What if I corvetteforums.com some shit?

The C7 Fast List
Last Updated: December 3, 2013

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Bone-Stock on Stock Tires
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Rank~~ E.T.~~ Trap~ 60'~ Driver~~~~~ M.Yr. Details
1~~~~11.496~~118.96~~1.683~SNORMAN~~~~'14 A6 (Post#4)
2~~~~11.953~~118.26~~1.878~VNAMVET~~~~'14 A6 Z51 Timeslip in sig, (Post#21)
3~~~~11.955~~119.62~~1.919~Kyle Lemish~~~'14 M7 non Z51 and no NPP (Post#13)
4~~~~12.164~~116.31~~1.938~Greg Quillen~~~'14 M7 Z51, Has NPP (Post#15)

C6 List
Showroom Stock LS2 (2005 -2007)
12.215 @ 115.45 - LS1LT1 - 06 A6 - (1278)
12.235 @ 115.58 - 06C6FVR - 06 M6 Z51 - (333)
12.290 @ 114.29 - Proney - 07 M6 - (4500)
12.314 @ 114.82 - CYA Vett - 05 M6 F55 - (675)
12.422 @ 113.90 - DrRichie - 05 M6 Z51
12.499 @ 114.90 - Jschindler - 05 M6 Z51
12.53x @ 113.00 - Wicked07C6 - 07 M6 Z51 - (914)

Showroom Stock LS3 (2008 - 2013)
11.718 @ 119.94 - AndrewZPSU - 08 M6 - (2586)
11.806 @ 118.82 - Gmrulz - 08 A6 Z51, NPP - (3478)
11.974 @ 116.98 - Proney - 08 M6 Z51, NPP - (4652)
12.058 @ 122.05 - AndrewZPSU - 10 A6 NPP - (5051)
12.100 @ 115.19 - Odin - 09 A6 2.73 npp - (4325)
12.102 @ 117.60 - Dingrao - 08 A6 - (3561)
12.127 @ 116.59 - Pettvette - 08 A6 - (4278)

Keep in mind, the C6 base car got a hp increase. The C7 has been out for one year, so technically if you're going to compare apples to apples, you compare first year car to first year car. But even still a LT1 is still faster than an LS3 C6.

Lowest time for a LS3C6 is 117.18, LT1 C7 is 11.496. So the LS3s are faster eh?

-Alex

lol shocker. I've read a lot of funny shit on CF.

I'll still with my personal experience on the street, track and Texas World.

Can't tell if you're serious. Are you discrediting the times posted because they are simply on a forum you don't like?

-Alex

I dont dislike CF

I just value what I see in the real world, actually racing. Vs what someone reads on the internet.


When I first bought a Gen4 Viper, the fastest one had gone was 10.8@131

I guess my 10.6@135 must be faked, damn you internet! I thought I really ran that time:win:

So again, should these numbers posted by people than ran the times be discredited because you didn't see it happen?

-Alex

You've totally missed the point


Go google some shit, maybe you'll figure it out



Real world > internet bullshit

Got it. An 11.718 is somehow faster than a 11.496 because you didn't see it happen lol.

-Alex

I watched a stock LS3 C6 beat the brakes off 2 C7's in person at a car meet in DFW.


That > reading shit on the internet and thinking I actually know what im talking about.


Since my Viper isnt on some master internet webmaster list, does that mean it didn't happen?

by the way, the c7 hasn't been out a year. They just started arriving at dealerships in October. Lol

Looks to me the fastest manual ls3 car is quicker and faster than your mighty c7's fastest manual time...

as for the ls2/3 thing, they didnt change shit on the ls1 c5 vettes besides the intake, cam, the valve covers, and emissions over 8 year span... so its unknown and not precedent that there will be a LT revision.

And BOOM goes the dynamite. Exactly my thoughts. C7 non z be slower than ls3.:mfr_omg:

Well based on the logic you are using "I didn't see it so it doesn't matter" then absolutely it means your Viper is slow is shit since I didn't see it happen.

So just to use bullet points:

Motortrend tested the C7 faster than C6 with measurable data. Check.
Car and Driver tested C7 faster than C6 with measurable data. Check.
Automobile tested the C7 faster than a C6 with measurable data. Check.
Owners of the actual vehicles tested the C7 faster than a C6 with measurable data. Check.
Official time slips provided show the data of C7s faster than C6s. Check.
Ignore all of that because one guy saw a street race with God knows how many variables at play show someone drive a C6 faster than a C7 so this obviously outweighs the rest of the world.

I've had two meetings with a majority of women today and had to deal with plenty of female employees and this is by far the single most illogical proposal I've seen in a good long while. Thanks for the laugh.

-Alex

When did we start comparing the LS1s lol? This was a debate(if you can call it that) about the C6 and C7. You're all over the place tonight lol.

-Alex

Making ower out of that di is gna be a bitch. If it doesn't catch on fire first.

Nevermind Motortrend.
Nevermind Road and Track.
Nevermind Automobile Mag.
Nevermind timeslips.
Nevermind actual owners of the cars and their experience.
Nevermind this out and in-car video also.

Out of car video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k8fQtOUGfU
In car video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbjxVpVvOqg

Yes Junkie, you are obviously right. C6s are definitely faster than C7s because you saw it happen.............once...............at an amateur street race..............with no official times.............or measurable data.

-Alex

Oh let's nevermind this as well. Bone stock C7 versus C6 with intake and exhaust.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBGX1xTQfCQ

LOL oh snap.

-Alex

Oh snap! Stock C7 winning against a cammed and tuned C6 say it ain't so!

Riddick voice "One down.... three down.... ya get where I'm going with this?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12hsyqDVkmA

-Alex

Just let it go, Alex.

:popcorn: This thread is very informative. lol Just wish the vette wasn't supercharged.

Actual experience > reading shit on the internet

You must still be celebrating New Year's Eve.

-Alex

There was a time when I would have agreed with you. I kept my fingers crossed for a 454ci with DI and 600hp. Meh.

-Alex

U were basically saying there was probably going to be a LT revision in the c7. I was stating just because it happened in the c6 doesnt necessarily mean it will in the c7 using the c5 history as an example.

Decided to respond to that vs the c6 time being faster than the C7 time that u posted. Good call and misdirection.

Just so you know, Junkie and i both like the c7, just dont see a 20k bump in price with the way it performs... if it was 50 k loaded like it should be, itd be a pretty sweet car. Id pay 30 k for a 1 year old one like i did my c6..

That's fair.

Fixt.

That's fair, deciding price is subjective. Performance data isn't.

I understand your view on it. Junkie is apparently either just trolling like there's no tomorrow or having his own personal beerfest.

-Alex

That's enough Dom. Settle down or you will be taking a break.

Not trolling at all

I just think real world experience > better know it all google'ing shit from forums.

I base my opinions on what I see, in DFW, while out at races and car events. Not what somebody half way around the country posts on the internet on some retarded list.

If I based everything on internet list, im sure I would end up like you. No experience, referencing other peoples accomplishments.

But you understand that the real world exists outside of DFW right? You're not the only person with real world experience and those people's experience's count just as much as yours. That's all I am saying.

Speaking of that, some guys and I from work are planning on going out somewhere to race this weekend if things stay consistent. Any recommendations on a good 1/4 track aside from Ennis? That's kind of far.

-Alex

I disagree totally, my experiences are going to carry more weight for me. Then reading some shit on the internet.