Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 55657)

$30-$35k car + $7-8k blower set up is used Z06 territory. There is some great deals out there right now on used C6 Z06's cuz so many of the old farts are upgrading to the C7's. I've been eye'n one that isn't on the market yet but will be soon when his order comes in. H/C/I car, 28k miles for $42k. Smokin deal for a fast car that will murder a blown 5.0.

A blown 5.0 is a fun car too, just hard to ignore other solid deals out there to be had right now.

Originally Posted by BERT (Post 55653)

This is my thinking too. The high compression with these rods makes me weary of even thinking about boost.

I want cams but fuck those are expensive

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 55654)

A bad tune or bad gas can kill a NA motor just as fast as it could on a blown one - made for it or not.

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 55657)

$30-$35k car + $7-8k blower set up is used Z06 territory. There is some great deals out there right now on used C6 Z06's cuz so many of the old farts are upgrading to the C7's. I've been eye'n one that isn't on the market yet but will be soon when his order comes in. H/C/I car, 28k miles for $42k. Smokin deal for a fast car that will murder a blown 5.0.

A blown 5.0 is a fun car too, just hard to ignore other solid deals out there to be had right now.

Originally Posted by BERT (Post 55658)

Don't think i'll ever say 42K for a used car is a good deal lol

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto (Post 55659)

Check out the price of heads lol.



True.

But it's far less likely, no one forks out the money for a blower to intentionally find a bad tune. I am referring to how strong the motor is built from the factory. Very rarely, if ever, has a motor been built in NA form to handle boost. I believe S2000 have been built that way but, Honda of course has a rep to be reliable so that makes sense. You don't typically find NA performance cars that come with forged pistons, rods, crank, titanium valves etc. If you're going to boost it, you normally have to worry about the bottom end breaking so you have to spend an additional few grand to build it.

-Alex

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto (Post 55660)

I was talking to a guy that had bought a salvaged C6Z. Bought it for like $20k, just had some shop in DFW replace the heads, cam etc and is putting down over 600rwhp and is his daily driver. Ridiculous.

-Alex

Originally Posted by BLK2012GT (Post 55665)

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Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 55663)

Considering the performance of what the car is capable of and what they originally stickered for they are smoking deals. I guess it's hard to understand for the people who have never driven one, but once you have you will get it.



Yeah, the parts prices on these cars are fucking absurd. The Coyote tax on parts seems VERY similar to that of the famous "vette tax" on parts. haha.


I disagree on your second part. I've had several boosted cars over the years and only one of them was "built" from the factory for it.

My 93 Cobra was a stock block car and made 540rw with a Vortech S-trim. Any foxbody guy will tell you that anything over 400rw on a fox is pushing the limits of the factory block to split it right down the main valley. I had the car like that over 5 years and was still running strong the day I sold it.

It's all in how you treat a car. Keep the tune on it good, maintain it properly with good/regular oil/plug changes, drive it like a sane person not beating on it on the rev-limiter at every opportunity and the car can live a long happy life beyond what conventional internet so sayers claim.

The problem these days lies in that its SO easy to make power. A simple pulley/tune change and it's easy power. Add to that the competition is so high out there these days it's crazy easy to get carried away to get caught up in the HP wars. Factory cars are faster than ever and it's super easy to make them even faster. The hardest part of the whole hobby is restraining oneself.

Originally Posted by BLK2012GT (Post 55665)

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Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto (Post 55669)

You basically disagreed with, then agreed with my assessment. Just because you tune a car for 600hp doesn't mean it is necessarily built FOR that power.

Can you push 600hp from a Honda Civic? Sure. Will it do that reliably for years? Nope. When I say built for a specific power level, I mean just that. Able to handle it day in and day out without having to rebuild the motor every few thousand miles.

A factory built blown engine is far more safe to build for big boost applications. Look at a 2JZ GTE Toyota engine. That thing was built to survive terror for ever. Iron block, forged crank, rods, pistons, heads that flow incredibly. People have tripled the power on that engine and can drive it reliably for years with 900hp. A 600hp car that was originally NA HAS to be pampered all day. If you have to use it gingerly if you want it to last.

-Alex

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 55671)

But as I said, even a car built for it, will die just as fast with a bad tune/gas or if it's beat relentlessly.

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 55664)

I would never advise anyone on buying a salvaged Vette of any kind, let alone a Z06 that has an aluminum frame.

That being said, a 600rw Z06 is a fast car. It would take a Mustang an extra 150-175rw more than the Z06 to hang. How many 775rw 5.0's are out there to handle that? Not many!

Originally Posted by BLK2012GT (Post 55687)

*cough* * cough*

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 55646)

The joke was actually on us 5.0 owners when we were given the glass motors/manuals transmissions while the rest of Stangers got a much better motor! lmao.

Originally Posted by Dan12GT (Post 55699)

BTW Steve your arguments always end in you comparing a Vette to a Mustang which should never be unless MAYBE a gt500 which again is still a big heavy mustang. The Mustang from its birth was designed to be a cheap affordable and practical fun car. Vettes are only 1 part of that, (fun)

Originally Posted by Dan12GT (Post 55698)

The motor is far from glass and far from slow. Especially considering the huge horse power leap they made just from the previous year model. I think too the Coyotes have proved to be able to handle a good amount of extra power as well.

The Terminator motor is in a league of its own. I don't even think its comparable to compare the Terminator the the Coyote, rather best to compare the Roadrunner to the Terminator, in that case they are on even planes.

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 55703)

I disagree on the glass part. I don't think anyone hear can say that have full confidence or don't have some kind of apprehensiveness about the stock motors. Too many people have busted a stock or near stock motor to say otherwise.

I'll agree with you this much, the GT makes great power for being an entry level sports car. What is "fast" is a matter of opinion and perspective based on ones previous experience. If you haven't had anything with more power before, then I could see how someone could say they are fast cars. But to those of us who have had faster cars previously and/or been around the scene for awhile know that these cars aren't competitive with the "fast" crowd around North Texas. For anyone with a 5.0 who thinks otherwise, by all means come out to a Friday night meet someone with the DR crew and give it a go. I can assure you that your perspective will change.


As for the topic - I agree with you that it's a more fair comparison of the Roadrunner vs Terminator than it is against the Coyote since the Roadrunner is forged and the Coyote is not.

I like Terminators, I think they are fun as hell to drive with a twinscrew. That being said, compared to the new motors, the Terminators are FAR less efficient needing a LOT of air to make big power.

Originally Posted by Dan12GT (Post 55699)

BTW Steve your arguments always end in you comparing a Vette to a Mustang which should never be unless MAYBE a gt500 which again is still a big heavy mustang. The Mustang from its birth was designed to be a cheap affordable and practical fun car. Vettes are only 1 part of that, (fun)

Originally Posted by Dan12GT (Post 55706)

I think a lot of what we also hear as far as problems with a near stock car comes from forum opinion which is generally garbage. My car is near stock and has 26k miles on it. Runs like a champ, had zero problem with both the engine and tranny (Knocks on wood)

I agree with the perspective thing. But the folks out at Coit are also in their own league of fast. You want slow i'll let you drive my wife's Altima :)

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 55707)

What is affordable is relative. A lot of people can't afford a new Stang now because the prices keep creeping up. Some CS GT's were even approaching the $40k mark at one point. A Roush Mustang can easily go over $60k. Your argument is out the window now on Mustangs and pricing.

A very low mileage LS3 08-11 Vette can be bought for what a lot of Premium and CS buyers were paying for their cars. Grandsports are barely a little bit more and Z06's can be bought for low 40's. It's a fair comparison. Good luck buying a 13 GT500 for anything less than $55k.

Originally Posted by Dan12GT (Post 55709)

LOL! You are comparing new to used vehicles. A new vette is borderline 60k!

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 55708)

Danny's (46tbird) car was completely stock with a stock tune and ate a motor. It has and still does happen regardless if you believe it or not.

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 55710)

You're missing my point. Forget it.

Originally Posted by Dan12GT (Post 55711)

Your point doesn't make sense. Ya ya cost is relevant but when you look at the COST of all other sports cars, mustangs are on the lower end for a reason, to be a more affordable car while still retaining some fun factor.

Cars like Vettes are 2 seaters made with one plan in mind, going fast. There is nothing practical about them and they are essentially toys. Thus why their price tag is generally higher for a much more aggressive / faster car. Building a car like that takes more engineering, more development, more expensive parts, etc. making the car MORE expensive.

I wanted a brand new fun car yet also somewhat practical car and thats what I got with my Mustang. I could almost buy two of my cars if I went and bought a brand new Vette. That point is what most of if not all of us Mustang owners share.

Originally Posted by DirtyD (Post 55713)

Brandon's car also ate a stock motor out of nowhere.


Steve has thus spoken! :sparta:

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 55714)

That makes sense from YOUR perspective. But I don't share that one and some others don't as well. Not everyone daily drives these things. The car is a TOY for me and does not get daily driving duties. I'm simply speaking from a great bang for the buck, going fast, having fun with car. Not a daily commuter. I learned LONG ago you should never heavily modify your daily driver that you depend on to get to and from work.

Originally Posted by Dan12GT (Post 55712)

And don't get me wrong I'd love to have a c6 Z06 and I agree its a hell of a lot more car than the mustang or even the GT500 but its not practical for me right now, the Mustang is.

Originally Posted by DirtyD (Post 55713)

Brandon's car also ate a stock motor out of nowhere.


Steve has thus spoken! :sparta:

Originally Posted by Dan12GT (Post 55717)

Agreed there and thus why mine doesn't really have anything done to it. I understand your perspective. If you have a car as a Toy only basis I get the bang for the buck perspective. If I could ever swing a Toy only car too I might not own a Mustang if going fast was the only thing on my mind.

Or maybe i'd build mine out and eat vettes :)

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 55719)

LOL, that is all I'm saying and you're grilling me for not being one of those people that think the 5.0 is the end all be all cars! Damn. I like my car, I just happen to think it's a turd. Haha.

Originally Posted by Dan12GT (Post 55720)

I'd hardly say I am grilling you. I am just saying your arguments always end comparing two very unlinke cars calling the Mustang a slow turd which I don't think it is. The mustang GT in stock form can do 0-60 in under 5 seconds and 160 ish top speed. Which in the normal public's eye is pretty fast, which IS the market for mustangs. I do not at all think the 5.0 is a end all be all either. I'm saying its great for what it is designed to market with and Ford has really stepped up their game with the Mustang.

Yes grill me all you want on that statement too but when it comes down to it there is always something faster. Are you just going to call everything slow until you are the fastest possible? I'm sure once you own that Vette you will say its a slow POF until you can own a GT-R or a lambo or something....

Also, I did't buy my car to be competitive in the car scene, I couldn't give two shits about it. Most again who buy a Mustang feel the same way. Not everybody who owns a Mustang is a DFW5.0s member. I just like associating with people that enjoy cars of all types.

Originally Posted by BERT (Post 55724)

I think it's funny when someone has a different opinion than Steve, he writes a small novel in his next post lol

Originally Posted by BERT (Post 55724)

I think it's funny when someone has a different opinion than Steve, he writes a small novel in his next post lol

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 55727)

Fuck you.













Short enough? :p

Originally Posted by DirtyD (Post 55728)

Welcome to my occasional hell. A differing opinion from his is armageddon.

Originally Posted by DirtyD (Post 55728)

Welcome to my occasional hell. A differing opinion from his is armageddon.

Originally Posted by BERT (Post 55729)

LMAO!!! yes sir, thank you.

Originally Posted by BERT (Post 55730)

Oh just wait, me and him have ours coming. Our favorite over the hill UFC fighters are going against each other soon :D