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GTRacerX 06-04-2013 08:16 PM

Stock C6 vs. Stock 5.0
 
Stock 2013 Mustang 5.0 vs Stock 2013 Base C6 Corvette. Just curious how we would fair?

Junkie 06-04-2013 08:26 PM

Should not end well for the 5.0. I know my 04 C5Z will run dead even or out run stock 5.0's. and an LS3 C6 is substantially faster.

GTRacerX 06-04-2013 09:30 PM

Well I know they have a little bit more horsepower and obviously they weigh less just curious how bad the vette would beat a 5.0

Junkie 06-04-2013 09:37 PM

All depends on the race. 50-150. At least 4+

Zeek 06-04-2013 09:38 PM

Bus lengths on the 5.0 vettes are way faster stock to stock

STROKD 06-04-2013 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Junkie (Post 33188)
All depends on the race. 50-150. At least 4+

Id say about 8.

GTRacerX 06-04-2013 11:51 PM

How much lighter?

GTRacerX 06-05-2013 12:25 AM

200-300 pounds?

GTRacerX 06-05-2013 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by GTRacerX (Post 33214)
200-300 pounds?

Nevermind I Googled it. About 410 pounds

re-rx7 06-05-2013 02:10 AM

In 1/4 I'd say a drivers race.

Luke 06-05-2013 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by re-rx7 (Post 33219)
In 1/4 I'd say a drivers race.

Only if the vette has a shitty driver.

When my car was stock I ran a stock C6 on drag radials at Kennedale, I tree'd him but by the 1/8th he had already caught me. His ET was lower but I got there first. Another 1/8 mile and he would have been well ahead. I have a video and timeslip, I'll see if I can find it when I get off work.

46Tbird 06-05-2013 09:08 AM

What does a stock C6 base coupe run anyway? Most of them I've seen are just like Mustangs, a good driver can get them to run in the 12s but most are in the 13s. Seems like it would be a good race to me.

There sure seem to be a lot of C5 and C6 cars represented here in stock Mustang territory: http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet--...?resultpage=15

DirtyD 06-05-2013 09:41 AM

Stock Auto C6 would walk away. Stock Manual C6 would be a drivers race.

GB_Stang 06-05-2013 10:29 AM

I would definitely say it is a driver's race with the vette pulling up top. My 5.0 I could just get into the 12s. 12.8 @ 111. ( Manual-bad driving, Dallas Mustang tune-not so great) I did have the boss mani, tune, cold air, wider wheels and tires though. My stock vette has ran, at its slowest, a 12.4@ 116. The fastest being a 12.1@ 117. Stock everything...including the heavy ass run flats. It's an auto btw. I would say it takes full exhaust and intake on a stang and then it should start getting some c6 ls3s. It would be neck and neck with the ls2s stock. (07 and prior)

46Tbird 06-05-2013 10:35 AM

Really? Any stock auto Vette off the showroom floor will run a 12.1 @ 117? I did not know that.

DirtyD 06-05-2013 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by GB_Stang (Post 33254)
I would definitely say it is a driver's race with the vette pulling up top. My 5.0 I could just get into the 12s. 12.8 @ 111. ( Manual-bad driving, Dallas Mustang tune-not so great) I did have the boss mani, tune, cold air, wider wheels and tires though. My stock vette has ran, at its slowest, a 12.4@ 116. The fastest being a 12.1@ 117. Stock everything...including the heavy ass run flats. It's an auto btw. I would say it takes full exhaust and intake on a stang and then it should start getting some c6 ls3s. It would be neck and neck with the ls2s stock. (07 and prior)

Hey Ryan, glad to see you back around. :wave:

Dan12GT 06-05-2013 11:01 AM

To me the cars although close in horsepower are in complete separate classes altogether. ~$50k car vs ~$30k car. The vette sits lower, lighter, just as powerful or more, MUCH better suspension and better weight distribution. The vette isn't light years ahead in the performance department but definitely has better overall sports car performance attributes that make it an all around better / faster car. Of course you could always match a gt500 with one but that wouldn't be fair and the C6Z06 would make it more even and still give the shelby a run in other aspects than just a strait line.

46Tbird 06-05-2013 11:05 AM

A C6 Z06 is a bad motherfucker. The Shelby would have it's hands full in a straight line, but can't even hope to compete in any other performance category.

Dan12GT 06-05-2013 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by 46Tbird (Post 33266)
A C6 Z06 is a bad motherfucker. The Shelby would have it's hands full in a straight line, but can't even hope to compete in any other performance category.

Ya the ~100hp difference would give it a slight edge but not much. Shelby is a heavy beast.

Dan12GT 06-05-2013 11:20 AM

I like to think of it in terms of cost to modify. Most people with sports cars like to modify their cars a little or a lot. Cost to modify Vettes > Mustangs

Grandpa 06-05-2013 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by 46Tbird (Post 33258)
Really? Any stock auto Vette off the showroom floor will run a 12.1 @ 117? I did not know that.

The LS3 cars run damn good stock and really respond to mods too. LG longtubes, cam and fast intake and they will make 480-490rw dipping into the high 10's.

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Originally Posted by 46Tbird (Post 33266)
A C6 Z06 is a bad motherfucker. The Shelby would have it's hands full in a straight line, but can't even hope to compete in any other performance category.

The C6 Z06 is a monster. Most people don't even know how much so because most owners you see with them dont' drive them very hard. A stock Z06 with a good driver (like Ranger) it will run 10.70-90's on a drag radial.

A lot of Z06's you see running high 11's because the owners are trying to run on the runflat tires because tires are so expensive. lol

46Tbird 06-05-2013 11:31 AM

Do the latest C6s have issues with the rear differentials / halfshafts? I remember it was always a big problem with C5s and that's why you wouldn't see them at a dragstrip... or if you did, they were being pushed away from the starting line half the time, lol. You always hear about "10 second Corvettes" but it is pretty damned rare to see one do it.

There were some really fast GM cars (C6s, '10+ Camaros, CTSVs) at the Motorplex when we went and they all had IRS so I guess GM has done something about it by now.

Grandpa 06-05-2013 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan12GT (Post 33270)
Ya the ~100hp difference would give it a slight edge but not much. Shelby is a heavy beast.

The Shelby's need to make 100-150rw more than the Vette they are racing in order to be dead even. The reason you don't see a lot more blown Vettes is because they don't need them as much. A bolt on LS3 Vette will easily hand most 5.0's their ass unfortunately. A 5.0 shouldn't even think about running a stock C6 Z06 unless it's boosted.

DirtyD 06-05-2013 11:51 AM

Stock C6 vs. Stock 5.0
 
How did the original question about a STOCK C6 turn to a Z06 all of a sudden??

DirtyD 06-05-2013 11:52 AM

Stock C6 vs. Stock 5.0
 
The OP clearly says base....but somehow Z06 came from all the reading. Lol

46Tbird 06-05-2013 11:53 AM

Here.
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Originally Posted by Dan12GT (Post 33265)
To me the cars although close in horsepower are in complete separate classes altogether. ~$50k car vs ~$30k car. The vette sits lower, lighter, just as powerful or more, MUCH better suspension and better weight distribution. The vette isn't light years ahead in the performance department but definitely has better overall sports car performance attributes that make it an all around better / faster car. Of course you could always match a gt500 with one but that wouldn't be fair and the C6Z06 would make it more even and still give the shelby a run in other aspects than just a strait line.


GB_Stang 06-05-2013 12:08 PM

I don't know about any...I am just saying mine did. I am also by far not the best driver. There is a fast list on the vette forum showing a lot of guys doing 11s, some as low as 11.6s all stock on stock rubber. Track conditions were real good for me too. 1500 DA and 65 degrees...

GB_Stang 06-05-2013 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan12GT (Post 33265)
To me the cars although close in horsepower are in complete separate classes altogether. ~$50k car vs ~$30k .

I paid 31k for mine with 24k miles btw.:rockit:

Courtesy Flush 06-05-2013 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GB_Stang (Post 33286)
I paid 31k for mine with 24k miles btw.:rockit:

I wanna say i have video of your vette running some low 12.1-.2's at crandall in decent air.
Auto car right?

Dan12GT 06-05-2013 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve (Post 33276)
The Shelby's need to make 100-150rw more than the Vette they are racing in order to be dead even. The reason you don't see a lot more blown Vettes is because they don't need them as much. A bolt on LS3 Vette will easily hand most 5.0's their ass unfortunately. A 5.0 shouldn't even think about running a stock C6 Z06 unless it's boosted.

Well that's a given obvious fact. The shelby is heavy! 700+lbs heavier. I'm sure if the vette weighed the same the shelby would smoke it.

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Originally Posted by DirtyD (Post 33283)
The OP clearly says base....but somehow Z06 came from all the reading. Lol

I was just giving an example the mustang's only real standing chance against vettes are our blow big brothers.

GB_Stang 06-05-2013 01:38 PM

Yup. It's an auto. There were lightly modded 5.0 autos running around the same times that day too.

White_lightning 06-05-2013 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 46Tbird (Post 33258)
Really? Any stock auto Vette off the showroom floor will run a 12.1 @ 117? I did not know that.

Ranger on Corvette forums took a BONE Stock z06. added Drag radials and ran high 10s. other wise stock.

DirtyD 06-05-2013 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan12GT (Post 33306)
Well that's a given obvious fact. The shelby is heavy! 700+lbs heavier. I'm sure if the vette weighed the same the shelby would smoke it.



I was just giving an example the mustang's only real standing chance against vettes are our blow big brothers.

I wasn't really talking directly to you, Danny. Just the conversation in general.

Dan12GT 06-05-2013 02:20 PM

Stock C6 vs. Stock 5.0
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyD (Post 33315)
I wasn't really talking directly to you, Danny. Just the conversation in general.

Well I pretty much sent it that direction :)

Grandpa 06-05-2013 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by White_lightning (Post 33311)
Ranger on Corvette forums took a BONE Stock z06. added Drag radials and ran high 10s. other wise stock.

I posted the video - 10.74 is what he ran

46Tbird 06-05-2013 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by White_lightning (Post 33311)
Ranger on Corvette forums took a BONE Stock z06. added Drag radials and ran high 10s. other wise stock.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve (Post 33324)
I posted the video - 10.74 is what he ran

Oh, I know. Ranger and those guys rent out MIR in late December every year to make hero passes with -2000 DA and buckets of VHT. Still very impressive but they ain't gonna run those times at Ennis in June. :smoke2:

Grandpa 06-05-2013 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 46Tbird (Post 33340)
Oh, I know. Ranger and those guys rent out MIR in late December every year to make hero passes with -2000 DA and buckets of VHT. Still very impressive but they ain't gonna run those times at Ennis in June. :smoke2:

I agree. However, it does show the amazing potential of those cars be it a LS3 or LS7 car in stock or lightly modified form to which a 5.0 can't compete with.

Stock 5.0 vs stock LS3 Vette = drivers race.

Stock 5.0 vs stock Z06 = Z06 by a bunch.

Bolt-on 5.0 vs Bolt on LS3 = Vette with ease

Bolt-on 5.0 w/boost vs LS3 h/c/i = close race

Bolt on 5.0 w/boost vs h/c/i Z06 = Z06 by murder

Courtesy Flush 06-05-2013 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve (Post 33341)
I agree. However, it does show the amazing potential of those cars be it a LS3 or LS7 car in stock or lightly modified form to which a 5.0 can't compete with.

Stock 5.0 vs stock LS3 Vette = drivers race.

Stock 5.0 vs stock Z06 = Z06 by a bunch.

Bolt-on 5.0 vs Bolt on LS3 = Vette with ease

Bolt-on 5.0 w/boost vs LS3 h/c/i = close race

Bolt on 5.0 w/boost vs h/c/i Z06 = Z06 by murder

welp thats it fellahs, our fates have been decided.

bench racing......:roflbow:

Ill keep my optimism and my car.

Grandpa 06-05-2013 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Courtesy Flush (Post 33342)
welp thats it fellahs, our fates have been decided.

bench racing......:roflbow:

Ill keep my optimism and my car.

Haha, yeah I know what you are saying. Honestly, I've always thought comparing a Mustang vs the Vette really isn't a fair comparison considering the Mustang is a 2+2 coupe and Vette is a two seater sports car, but this conversation is about answering the OP's original question.

A more fair comparison would be the old Camaro vs Mustang conversation in which the new Mustang dominates in every way.

DirtyD 06-05-2013 04:53 PM

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