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Rreemo 08-13-2012 01:26 PM

How's your MPG?
 
I finally ran out my first tank over the weekend, and while the dash was saying 14.6 avg, I hand calculated it to be 19.1. I've been pretty easy on it so far as well....haven't taken it over 4000-4200 rpm, and this has been mostly city driving, but some mix. I'm thinking 19 is pretty good for the first tank...I know it will get better over time too, as it learns driving strategy, etc.

On the fuel subject...was also wondering what grade you guys are running and if you can tell a difference. This being the first tank that the dealer filled, I'm pretty sure it was probably just 87.

SNEAKY 08-13-2012 01:34 PM

They 93 and get more mpg out of it. Nit sure of the price/milage break down. Ours averaged 22-23 on te dash . Toll way and 380 back and forth from Denton to Allen .

DirtyD 08-13-2012 01:42 PM

Not sure what the algorithms look like on these cars for the inboard MPG calcs, but I'm pretty sure it can't be THAT much difference between the two. The only thing I can figure that would cause that would be resetting the onboard MPG without resetting the trip od.

Also, to truely break in these cars, you need to beat them into the ground for at least the first 1000 miles. Big discussion about the break-in procedures for modern cars. Days of being light are over. Vary the RPMs as much as possible, and give it some short spurts of spirited driving to help the ring seat better.

Back on topic, I have been through 5 fillups since I bought the car. 1 via dealer (87) and 4 myself (3-93 & 1-91 in OK). I have seen anywhere from 14.7 (14.5 in-dash) up to 21 (20.5 in-dash) on a full tank. As far as highest period on the in-dash readout, I've seen 23.6 on a stretch of highway driving @ 70 this past weekend.

Grandpa 08-13-2012 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rreemo (Post 2869)
Title was supposed to be "How's" your MPG....fat-fingered that one!

Fixed it for ya sir. I've gotten as much as 27mpg btw. :)

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Originally Posted by DirtyD (Post 2872)
Not sure what the algorithms look like on these cars for the inboard MPG calcs, but I'm pretty sure it can't be THAT much difference between the two. The only thing I can figure that would cause that would be resetting the onboard MPG without resetting the trip od.

Also, to truely break in these cars, you need to beat them into the ground for at least the first 1000 miles. Big discussion about the break-in procedures for modern cars. Days of being light are over. Vary the RPMs as much as possible, and give it some short spurts of spirited driving to help the ring seat better.

Back on topic, I have been through 5 fillups since I bought the car. 1 via dealer (87) and 4 myself (3-93 & 1-91 in OK). I have seen anywhere from 14.7 (14.5 in-dash) up to 21 (20.5 in-dash) on a full tank. As far as highest period on the in-dash readout, I've seen 23.6 on a stretch of highway driving @ 70 this past weekend.

LMAO, then I might be screwed because I have yet to really open my car up and I've got 3k miles on it.

DirtyD 08-13-2012 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve (Post 2873)
Fixed it for ya sir. I've gotten as much as 27mpg btw. :)



LMAO, then I might be screwed because I have yet to really open my car up and I've got 3k miles on it.

That's just coming from 98% of the guys on SVTP. Many threads and discussions about breaking them in. They say that if you are light on the motor now, it won't really like it when you beat it later down the road. Where as, the earlier and more often you beat it, the more it will thank you later.

^That's sig worthy right there. :lol:

Grandpa 08-13-2012 04:45 PM

How would anyone know that for a fact before anyone has had a chance to put high miles on one to come to that conclusion? lol.

DirtyD 08-13-2012 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve (Post 2877)
How would anyone know that for a fact before anyone has had a chance to put high miles on one to come to that conclusion? lol.

:confused: honestly, IDK.

But i still beat my car regardless. It's just too much fun!

UT5.0 08-13-2012 05:14 PM

With my tune driving 60mph i get 28+ mpg and 25+mpg going 80. Tunes give better gas mileage for some reason

DirtyD 08-13-2012 05:25 PM

Because the Ford tune is more of a conservative, generic vehicle tune, I'm sure. I know Shaun at AED garuantees a min. of 3 MPG increase over stock under 2k RPM. I haven't really seen the true hwy MPG on my car yet, but hoping to this weekend. Might take it out for a nice little drive.

Doug1227 08-13-2012 05:39 PM

My commute to work (8 miles is all stop and go below 45) nets me about 15mpg.... once I get on the highway it jumps up closer to 24 or so... Big swing between city and highway!

Courtesy Flush 08-13-2012 05:49 PM

(insert sarcastic quote about sports cars and mpg) but seriously...whats mpg?

DirtyD 08-13-2012 07:14 PM

SPM or GPG

Smiles per mile or Grins per gallon

downtime! 08-13-2012 07:23 PM

I get a solid 22-23 out of mine, with the GH tune running 93. And I agree on the break in deal. I had the VMP tune on mine and had her at the track on the 3rd or 4th day.

Rreemo 08-13-2012 07:53 PM

I haven't really been worried about hurting it or anything...hell if that happens this early on they'll damn sure fix it under warranty! I think more-so to me it's just that its a brand new car and I like to really get the feel for things, maybe run a tank or 2 through it before I go trying out the track apps and/or showing up at Northstar with a paper tag on it! :)

I know it's different than talking a new car, but I've been building engines for many years now, and I've always done the same thing with all of them....initial ring seat and break-in the cam at 3000-3500, cool it, then heat cycle it a couple more times...up to op temp at varied RPM...cool it again, change oil and filter, take a read on the plugs, and pretty much let it rip! I've never had one prematurely come apart by this method....I doubt these new ones are really any different when it comes down to it.

Speaking of MPG....my 911 did really well, clocked upper 20's pretty much all the time. The last tank I ran through it (93 octane of course), showed 26 on the dash, hand calculated just over 25....and that tank included a night at Northstar with several 1/8th mile passes. :D

DirtyD 08-13-2012 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rreemo (Post 2897)
I haven't really been worried about hurting it or anything...hell if that happens this early on they'll damn sure fix it under warranty! I think more-so to me it's just that its a brand new car and I like to really get the feel for things, maybe run a tank or 2 through it before I go trying out the track apps and/or showing up at Northstar with a paper tag on it! :)

I know it's different than talking a new car, but I've been building engines for many years now, and I've always done the same thing with all of them....initial ring seat and break-in the cam at 3000-3500, cool it, then heat cycle it a couple more times...up to op temp at varied RPM...cool it again, change oil and filter, take a read on the plugs, and pretty much let it rip! I've never had one prematurely come apart by this method....I doubt these new ones are really any different when it comes down to it.

Speaking of MPG....my 911 did really well, clocked upper 20's pretty much all the time. The last tank I ran through it (93 octane of course), showed 26 on the dash, hand calculated just over 25....and that tank included a night at Northstar with several 1/8th mile passes. :D

Well after hearing that, what do I know. Haha.

Rreemo 08-13-2012 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyD (Post 2900)
Well after hearing that, what do I know. Haha.

I'm thinking plenty....bc you essentially had the same suggestion....drive it hard from the get-go! ;)

46Tbird 08-13-2012 11:50 PM

I waited about 1200 miles before dogging it, and took it to the track at 2400 miles where it went 7.9. I don't think it matters for shit, but personally I prefer to let the cam, crank, and rod bearings establish a wear pattern before taking it to 7k. Ring seal is only an issue on cars that wash them out (carbed, usually) or if you let it get hot causing the rings to lose tension. That's my experience, yours may vary.

Anyway, I average 17.5 to 19 on any given tank. I have gotten as low as 14 and as high as 27.8 coming back from Austin with a crazy tail wind. Highway mpg is usually around 23. That's with 3.73s and 28" tall tires.

Jason, I've never heard of that great a disparity between the dash mpg reading and calculated mpg. It's usually 1-2mpg off at worst.

Quake5.0 08-14-2012 08:20 AM

I have a mech friend at Bob Thomas Ford that works only on performance issues and warranty issues. He said ford sent out to all ford dealers service heads that it is better for the car to get driven hard from day one. Reason being they spent a lot of time and testing it in racing and extreme everything to do with what ever you can throw at it and found it to be really bulletproof. Plus they tuned the car down with the computer tune cause this motor is very powerful for what it is.

Just what I was told.

virtu 08-14-2012 10:01 AM

I've gone thru about 6 tanks of gas so far and I seem to average around 15mpg. 75% city/25% highway. Just crossed 1,400 miles on the odo yesterday. If I reset the mpg calculator while on the highway, I can get it to hover around 22-23 doing 80mph with the A/C on. I also have the 3.73 gears.

virtu 08-14-2012 10:03 AM

Oh and I only run premium.

DirtyD 08-14-2012 01:49 PM

FWIW, if anyone would like a copy of the spredsheet I put together to keep track of MPGs, just let me know. I'd be more than happy to send you a copy.

Rreemo 08-15-2012 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 46Tbird (Post 2903)
I waited about 1200 miles before dogging it, and took it to the track at 2400 miles where it went 7.9. I don't think it matters for shit, but personally I prefer to let the cam, crank, and rod bearings establish a wear pattern before taking it to 7k. Ring seal is only an issue on cars that wash them out (carbed, usually) or if you let it get hot causing the rings to lose tension. That's my experience, yours may vary.

Anyway, I average 17.5 to 19 on any given tank. I have gotten as low as 14 and as high as 27.8 coming back from Austin with a crazy tail wind. Highway mpg is usually around 23. That's with 3.73s and 28" tall tires.

Jason, I've never heard of that great a disparity between the dash mpg reading and calculated mpg. It's usually 1-2mpg off at worst.

Yeah Danny, I'm not paying much attention to that first one, honestly. Not sure what was up with it, but I'm about to need fuel again today or tomorrow, so we'll see how it pairs up this time.

17.5 - 19 seems to be pretty good, and honestly about what I was hoping for. I'm guessing yours is still basically stock and untuned, right? I'd imagine those 28" tires help offset the 3.73's a little as well.

Speaking of (off topic for everyone with 3.73's)....I seem to notice something, not sure what, right at 70 MPH...it's very faint, just a little NVH coming from somewhere....not sure if its the gears, or maybe very slightly something with the driveshaft (balance), or maybe it's just the engine note at that particular speed/RPM....just not an entirely smooth spot. I'm wondering if anyone else has noticed something similar?

I'm overly sensitive to stuff like that...probably leading back to my days in the dealership when I did NVH stuff a lot. It's probably nothing, And I'm probably also just used to the 911, which was extremely (maybe even abnormally) smooth all the way up and past the 3-digit mark.

PLASMAN 08-15-2012 04:30 PM

Just took off my muffler deletes and put GT500's on and it went up 26mpg hwy, 22mpg city avg 23.4. Tuned

Midnight11 08-15-2012 04:57 PM

^im interested in your muffler deletes when I get mine in...

DirtyD 08-15-2012 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by PLASMAN (Post 2938)
Just took off my muffler deletes and put GT500's on and it went up 26mpg hwy, 22mpg city avg 23.4. Tuned

What type of city speeds do you typically drive? And are that spaced out lights?

PLASMAN 08-15-2012 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Midnight11 (Post 2942)
^im interested in your muffler deletes when I get mine in...

Sorry bro sold them to a dude on SVT, didnt think anyone here would want them, they droned like a mofo

PLASMAN 08-15-2012 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyD (Post 2949)
What type of city speeds do you typically drive? And are that spaced out lights?

I drive I35 from carrollton to duncanville everyday 33 highway miles, then about 5 city so a total of 38 miles one way 90/10 HWY/CTY
Hwy speeds 75, city 40 ish, not too many lights

Midnight11 08-15-2012 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by PLASMAN (Post 2954)
Sorry bro sold them to a dude on SVT, didnt think anyone here would want them, they droned like a mofo

damnit! its cool im just gonna hate the stock exhaust lol

PLASMAN 08-15-2012 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Midnight11 (Post 2956)
damnit! its cool im just gonna hate the stock exhaust lol

Theres a guy on svt talking about how he drilled some holes in his stock mufflers for a delete sound, if anyone wants to try it you can have mine

DirtyD 08-15-2012 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PLASMAN (Post 2957)
Theres a guy on svt talking about how he drilled some holes in his stock mufflers for a delete sound, if anyone wants to try it you can have mine

I have mine available as well, if someone wants them to try.

His idea actually doesn't sound that bad, but not really my cup of tea.

DirtyD 08-15-2012 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PLASMAN (Post 2955)
I drive I35 from carrollton to duncanville everyday 33 highway miles, then about 5 city so a total of 38 miles one way 90/10 HWY/CTY
Hwy speeds 75, city 40 ish, not too many lights

Shoot, that's nothing then. Haha

Grandpa 08-16-2012 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Midnight11 (Post 2956)
damnit! its cool im just gonna hate the stock exhaust lol

Haha, it's not THAT bad to have a quiet car, but I must admit I do miss having a lil bit of a rumble. I've even been considering doing an O/R H with some GT500's, but that means I'll have to get a tune as well.

kanetrain 08-16-2012 07:16 PM

100% city driving I get ~15. With a canned SCT 93 "performance" tune.

Eaglei532 08-17-2012 02:53 AM

damn I get like 12MPG

BLK2012GT 08-17-2012 09:35 AM

I know I'll be getting better mpg on monday since I'm switching back to the stock 3.31's.

Midnight11 08-17-2012 09:37 AM

That didn't last long lol

Grandpa 08-17-2012 10:54 AM

I really like the 3.31s. Ive had 3.73s and 4.10s several times and i like these the most. I think it will be awesome once the blower goes on. A real managable gear with boost on the street.

BLK2012GT 08-17-2012 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Midnight11 (Post 3052)
That didn't last long lol

Yeah tried the nitrous in 2nd and 3rd gear and yeah.........just not going to work.

Rreemo 08-18-2012 06:06 PM

Second tank hand calculated 17.5, dash said 17.2 avg.

DirtyD 08-18-2012 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rreemo (Post 3165)
Second tank hand calculated 17.5, dash said 17.2 avg.

That's more like it. Lol. Sounds like someone at the dealer reset the readout or something.


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