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**46Tbird** · 07-08-2013, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by kn7671

If we truly only cared about muscle, we would have all adopted the basic Ford Fairmont body years ago and tossed in more powerful motors, full exhaust, and gears for an all in the name of... Whatever you call it...

Some of us DO do that.

I pulled up at a light next to a Ruby Red '14 GT last week. It was STUNNING. I was trying to give the guy a thumbs-up but he was either in his own world or ignoring me, lol.

**Grandpa** · 07-08-2013, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by kn7671

Well in this regard, most of the wheels and tires we install are fluff as well, since 18's and 19's will generally out handle 20's. The fluff continues with the lowering springs, since you really only need better dampers for the street driving. It's continues more with axle back exhaust kits, all for noise, not power, or the GT500 spoilers, no spoilers, cowl hoods, Boss grilles, bar style grilles, tinted lights, quarter window louvers, etc...

What I'm trying to point out is that each piece has a unique meaning to each person, whether questionably functional or purely to be aesthetically pleasing, there is no clear way to define what should or should not belong.

If we truly only cared about muscle, we would have all adopted the basic Ford Fairmont body years ago and tossed in more powerful motors, full exhaust, and gears for an all in the name of... Whatever you call it...

As far as wheels go, I'll put up my 20's against anyone's 18/19 inch wheels on this board in regards to performance.

I don't considering lowering springs fluff at all. Yes, it's visually appealing, but lowering a car's center of gravity greatly improves handling. Our Mustangs handle like a boat at stock height.

Again, I disagree with your exhaust comment. Aftermarket exhaust greatly improves airflow and reduces back pressure therfor releasing more power. The added bonus is the muscle car tone can be modified to be more pleasing to the ear to sound like a muscle car, rather than quiet as a Camry in stock form.

I do agree with your statement in regards to visual mods though. All of that stuff is subjective to individual tastes.

Form follows function.

re-rx7 · 07-08-2013, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by Steve

As far as wheels go, I'll put up my 20's against anyone's 18/19 inch wheels on this board in regards to performance.

I don't considering lowering springs fluff at all. Yes, it's visually appealing, but lowering a car's center of gravity greatly improves handling. Our Mustangs handle like a boat at stock height.

Again, I disagree with your exhaust comment. Aftermarket exhaust greatly improves airflow and reduces back pressure therfor releasing more power. The added bonus is the muscle car tone can be modified to be more pleasing to the ear to sound like a muscle car, rather than quiet as a Camry in stock form.

I do agree with your statement in regards to visual mods though. All of that stuff is subjective to individual tastes.

Form follows function.

Agrre with suspension. Lot of brake dive in these cars. Disagree with wheels comment. Stock to stock your big ass wheels vs my stock 18's will make a difference.

**Midnight11** · 07-07-2013, 01:46 PM

yea it looks nothing like that...

**BLK2012GT** · 07-07-2013, 01:48 PM

If you dont paint the front bumper on the mustang and leave it black it will identical to the charger.

**fordplay** · 07-08-2013, 06:59 AM

Yeah.. I meant side skirts, the bandit 2 posts above mine wrote rockers, and it was early morning and oh well.. and yeah I don't think the paint holds up well on a daily driver... as for the charger a mustang... I see what you are saying how they appear similar in the front end.. but not enough for me, I'd never compare them in real life

**Midnight11** · 07-08-2013, 10:00 AM

But you put vinyl tint on your lights Steve? Lol

**Grandpa** · 07-08-2013, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by Midnight11

But you put vinyl tint on your lights Steve? Lol

It's coming off as soon as I get the chance to do it.

**Midnight11** · 07-08-2013, 10:21 AM

Rivets ftw!

**Grandpa** · 07-08-2013, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by Midnight11

Rivets ftw!

Damn sheetmetal wheels!!

**DirtyD** · 07-08-2013, 10:41 AM

I think each style has their own likes and dislikes for me. I like the front end of both the 11/12 and 13 cars. I think Ford could've done a few things differently/better on th 13 front end, but oh well. I would've rather then tried to freshen up the 11/12 front end and massage it a little more than stick a combo GT500/V6 front end on it. The rear is hands down 13 all day.

re-rx7 · 07-08-2013, 10:43 AM

I know. Had my civic on stock 15's then decided to go to 17's. I didnt notice it when i went up to the 17's but when I went back to 15's HOLY SHIT! The difference was huge. Granted with the lower power output of the civic the difference would be greater but the same should hold true on a more powerful car no matter.

Why make skinny wheels if there is not a need and they do not make a differnce? Plus the contact patch of the wider tires creates more friction on the surface of the road. This also soaks up some power. Take a wheel barrow put a skinny tire on say a 235 and push it. Then put a 275 or 295 on there and see if there is a difference in effort to push it.

**Grandpa** · 07-08-2013, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by DirtyD

No, just no.

His wheels weight as much as your stock 18s do. The only thing Steve would be lacking in would be cornering ability as his sidewall is much shorter than yours, but it would be made up by the fact his tires have a full 2-3 inches more surface contact to the pavement than your 18s have.

rotating mass > static/unsprung (dead) mass all day long.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by re-rx7

I know. Had my civic on stock 15's then decided to go to 17's. I didnt notice it when i went up to the 17's but when I went back to 15's HOLY SHIT! The difference was huge. Granted with the lower power output of the civic the difference would be greater but the same should hold true on a more powerful car no matter.

Why make skinny wheels if there is not a need and they do not make a differnce? Plus the contact patch of the wider tires creates more friction on the surface of the road. This also soaks up some power. Take a wheel barrow put a skinny tire on say a 235 and push it. Then put a 275 or 295 on there and see if there is a difference in effort to push it.

Just...stop.

re-rx7 · 07-08-2013, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by Steve

Just...stop.

If Im wrong prove it.

Explain how Blck2012gt picked up power?

**BLK2012GT** · 07-08-2013, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by re-rx7

If Im wrong prove it.

Explain how Blck2012gt picked up power?

Yes I picked up power but with the same wheels if I take them to the track I would run slower times with them cause of no traction then I would with my old 20's. Now my new 18's is a different story. lol