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10-20-2013, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by saunupe1911
listen...it took GM 3 yrs to play ball with with the Boss and the GT500 was king off the muscle cars for 4 yrs. Bottom line, this generation is over. Better cars are less than 3 yrs away and the Z/28 cant even be bought until March 2014!!!!!!! I take my hats off to GM for even building the car but its purely for bragging rights since the cars isnt SCCA or Grand AM compatible. Also this car is Not in the same category as the Boss due to the lack of sound deadening and thin glass. This car is closer to a Boss S than LS. Last, GM thinks this car is an engineering marvel. Its nothing but a street legal Camaro GS.R which has been around for yrs! check the specs!
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I respected your post up until this
Originally Posted by saunupe1911
Also this car is Not in the same category as the Boss due to the lack of sound deadening and thin glass.
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Okay, so we've gone from "it's not in the same class because no AC or radio" when you can buy a Z/28 with both, to now it's not in the same class because of thin glass or sound deadening? Are you serious? No one in the Corvette community or any other forum I've been on has ever made this many excuses. C5Zs had thinner glass for windshields when comparing them to Porsche turbos, Ferrari 360s etc. No one in those forums complains about pricing either. If the car performs, it performs.
What's the next excuse? Oh, GM uses a different paint code, so it's not in the same category? Disregard all of the blatant similarities and the fact that both cars are built for the track, if the car doesn't give you a BJ then it's not in the same category.
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10-21-2013, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto
I respected your post up until this
Okay, so we've gone from "it's not in the same class because no AC or radio" when you can buy a Z/28 with both, to now it's not in the same class because of thin glass or sound deadening? Are you serious? No one in the Corvette community or any other forum I've been on has ever made this many excuses. C5Zs had thinner glass for windshields when comparing them to Porsche turbos, Ferrari 360s etc. No one in those forums complains about pricing either. If the car performs, it performs.
What's the next excuse? Oh, GM uses a different paint code, so it's not in the same category? Disregard all of the blatant similarities and the fact that both cars are built for the track, if the car doesn't give you a BJ then it's not in the same category.
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The Boss LS is street car that can be raced on the track. The Z/28 is track car that can be licensed on the street. They are truly 2 different classes of car. That's just my opinion.
So now lets look at some factual stuff rather than a bunch of opinions. Grab a Boss 302 S (or BOSS 302 R) and put it side by side with the Z/28. They have the same options. See for yourself. The only difference is a roll cage. Again, the Z/28 is nothing but a street legal GS.R with optional AC and a little bit of interior. So I'm impressed by the official lap times of the Z/28, but I'm also not surprised since I see this caliber of car race on Fox Sports once a month.
And again this generation is over! No one is going to challenge GM and this car simply because they have moved on. GM better start working on that Alpha platform rather than building special edition track cars at the end of it's generation.
http://www.fordracingparts.com/compe...osscompare.asp
Bottom line, the car is a beast but I'm not impressed because I've already seen what a stripped down version of the car could do. That's my spill on this subject. I'm moving on because December is real close!!!!
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10-21-2013, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by saunupe1911
The Boss LS is street car that can be raced on the track. The Z/28 is track car that can be licensed on the street. They are truly 2 different classes of car. That's just my opinion.
So now lets look at some factual stuff rather than a bunch of opinions. Grab a Boss 302 S (or BOSS 302 R) and put it side by side with the Z/28. They have the same options. See for yourself. The only difference is a roll cage. Again, the Z/28 is nothing but a street legal GS.R with optional AC and a little bit of interior. So I'm impressed by the official lap times of the Z/28, but I'm also not surprised since I see this caliber of car race on Fox Sports once a month.
And again this generation is over! No one is going to challenge GM and this car simply because they have moved on. GM better start working on that Alpha platform rather than building special edition track cars at the end of it's generation.
http://www.fordracingparts.com/compe...osscompare.asp
Bottom line, the car is a beast but I'm not impressed because I've already seen what a stripped down version of the car could do. That's my spill on this subject. I'm moving on because December is real close!!!!
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Good post. I believe the new mustang is gonna be a force to be reckoned with.
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10-21-2013, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by saunupe1911
The Boss LS is street car that can be raced on the track. The Z/28 is track car that can be licensed on the street. They are truly 2 different classes of car. That's just my opinion.
So now lets look at some factual stuff rather than a bunch of opinions. Grab a Boss 302 S (or BOSS 302 R) and put it side by side with the Z/28. They have the same options. See for yourself. The only difference is a roll cage. Again, the Z/28 is nothing but a street legal GS.R with optional AC and a little bit of interior. So I'm impressed by the official lap times of the Z/28, but I'm also not surprised since I see this caliber of car race on Fox Sports once a month.
And again this generation is over! No one is going to challenge GM and this car simply because they have moved on. GM better start working on that Alpha platform rather than building special edition track cars at the end of it's generation.
http://www.fordracingparts.com/compe...osscompare.asp
Bottom line, the car is a beast but I'm not impressed because I've already seen what a stripped down version of the car could do. That's my spill on this subject. I'm moving on because December is real close!!!!
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Track cars, don't meet the same safety standards as street cars.
Track cars can't be registered to be driven on the street.
The GS.R you are referring to, does it have the same amount of air bags, if any as the Z/28? Does it meet the same crash testing standards as the Z/28?
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10-20-2013, 03:25 PM
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how does price not make them in different categories? Some have paid as much as $50k for a boss and that is still $20k less than a z28, huge price difference. So I guess we should start comparing the z28 to cars like the 2010 ACR Viper which is a lot faster than the z28 and you can get one for around $80k. While we are at it heck lets compare the mustang with a Ferrari and talk about why the Ferrari is better. Price absolutely makes a difference and when a price difference is $25k on the sticker prices then yea I say different class.
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10-20-2013, 03:28 PM
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I'm getting deja' vu from this thread.
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10-20-2013, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 03MachMe
how does price not make them in different categories? Some have paid as much as $50k for a boss and that is still $20k less than a z28, huge price difference.
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Post a link showing a window sticker of a Z/28 please.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc-T--DI0qQ
Go to 8:55. He says it will go for "north of $56k", I don't assume that means $80,000.00. Where are you you seeing window stickers for $80k Z/28s?
Originally Posted by 03MachMe
So I guess we should start comparing the z28 to cars like the 2010 ACR Viper which is a lot faster than the z28 and you can get one for around $80k. While we are at it heck lets compare the mustang with a Ferrari and talk about why the Ferrari is better. Price absolutely makes a difference and when a price difference is $25k on the sticker prices then yea I say different class.
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You know a Viper and a Camaro are different cars completely. A Viper is a two-seat sports car. Let's keep on track comparing pony cars to pony cars .
Listen to what the chief engineer says at 2:45.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc-T--DI0qQ
I'll just go ahead and type it. "Up level stereo is not standard." Now I don't know what that means to you but, that to me, means that it does come with a stereo, just not the higher output one. So, toss the stereo argument out the door.
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10-20-2013, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto
Post a link showing a window sticker of a Z/28 please.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc-T--DI0qQ
Go to 8:55. He says it will go for "north of $56k", I don't assume that means $80,000.00. Where are you you seeing window stickers for $80k Z/28s?
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Dealer mark up. You can count on that, maybe not 80 but i can see 65k to 70k.
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10-20-2013, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by re-rx7
Dealer mark up. You can count on that, maybe not 80 but i can see 65k to 70k.
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Oh I am certain there will be dealer markup. But is it fair to say that because some Boss 302s were selling for $60k, that all of them are $60k cars due to dealer markup?
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10-20-2013, 03:39 PM
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Ive always considered Porsche the best drivers car. That being said the Z28 is impressive but at the sametime I have to wonder if Ford can do that much with a LRA (boss, LS) what are they gna do with a IRS? It should be impressive to say the least. The fact the Z28 is being compared to a car with a LRA is pretty funny.
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10-20-2013, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by re-rx7
Ive always considered Porsche the best drivers car. That being said the Z28 is impressive but at the sametime I have to wonder if Ford can do that much with a LRA (boss, LS) what are they gna do with a IRS? It should be impressive to say the least. The fact the Z28 is being compared to a car with a LRA is pretty funny.
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Ford has done some magic with the LRA even on the non LS cars. Also it is funny that GMs pony car will be slaughtering many higher end cars on a track that the Germans own.
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10-20-2013, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto
Oh I am certain there will be dealer markup. But is it fair to say that because some Boss 302s were selling for $60k, that all of them are $60k cars due to dealer markup?
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Id pretty much say that. They only built 2k. Unless you know where you could find one new for less?
Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto
Ford has done some magic with the LRA even on the non LS cars. Also it is funny that GMs pony car will be slaughtering many higher end cars on a track that the Germans own.
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Gm is not my fav company. Not because of the cars but its because they owe the Tax payers a shit ton of money. They keep building these niche cars they need to be selling volume. There new truck is behind the Fseries still and its brand new!
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10-20-2013, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by re-rx7
Id pretty much say that. They only built 2k. Unless you know where you could find one new for less?
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Dealer markup doesn't represent the price of the car. The MSRP is the actual vehicle price. Factoring dealer markup as the car's price is just like including the cost of an extended warranty or GAP.
Originally Posted by re-rx7
Gm is not my fav company.
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We all knew that. And that is perfectly fine. I don't have a favorite manufacturer, there are just cars that I do and don't like across the board. Some are built by Ford, some from GM, some from Toyota.
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10-20-2013, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto
Dealer markup doesn't represent the price of the car. The MSRP is the actual vehicle price. Factoring dealer markup as the car's price is just like including the cost of an extended warranty or GAP.
We all knew that. And that is perfectly fine. I don't have a favorite manufacturer, there are just cars that I do and don't like across the board. Some are built by Ford, some from GM, some from Toyota.
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I stated the reason I dont. They build some fast cars but thats my only gripe. As far as the sticker goes for dealer markup you cant remove it like gap or a warranty. They car will sell for that or it will sit because they jknow someone will pay that.
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10-20-2013, 05:22 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3VlFXABzyc
No back seat, reduced interior comfort like the Z/28 i.e. track car.
Basic radio (just like Z/28).
Comes with a special key that adjusts engine parameters for the track i.e. track car.
So I guess in one perspective the Z/28 is more of a daily driver car since it has a back-seat.
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