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05-09-2013, 03:11 AM
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I'll put another vote in for VMP's mail order stuff. Justin's canned tune on my car ran 12 flats at 117 with muffler deletes and dr's. That said, and as good as his mail order stuff is, there is still no substitute for a hands on custom tune by a skilled tuner.
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05-09-2013, 08:13 AM
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BAMA Ghost Cam Tune, GOOD OR BAD?
I heard from a buddy that the only issue that a ghost cam tune can cause is a need to change out spark plugs a little more often. Just bc of extended periods of idle time like sitting in rush hour traffic.
Any truth to that?
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05-09-2013, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by moostang09
I heard from a buddy that the only issue that a ghost cam tune can cause is a need to change out spark plugs a little more often. Just bc of extended periods of idle time like sitting in rush hour traffic.
Any truth to that?
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Yes. It's due to all of the unburned fuel from the car running really fat.
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05-09-2013, 10:02 AM
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BTW, Mike Wilson is not even at Bama anymore and hasn't been for awhile. He is back here in DFW and like usual Bama's shady business practices they are still using his names for their tunes even though he's not there.
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05-09-2013, 10:05 AM
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Fake cams ftl
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05-09-2013, 06:07 PM
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Re: BAMA Ghost Cam Tune, GOOD OR BAD?
I'm a little ignorant on cams, but do they even make decent cams for these motors? All I've seen for these cars are nsr cams and I would think they couldn't add much if the lift isn't enough to require new springs... is lift even the right term for a dohc??
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05-09-2013, 06:26 PM
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Maybe this is pure ignorance on my part, but why do you guys consider it "fake"? Isn't it the cams making that sound?? I understand it's just an idle thing, but I don't think I would consider it "fake" if it is, in fact, the cams making it make that sound.
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05-09-2013, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by kanetrain
Maybe this is pure ignorance on my part, but why do you guys consider it "fake"? Isn't it the cams making that sound?? I understand it's just an idle thing, but I don't think I would consider it "fake" if it is, in fact, the cams making it make that sound.
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With a "ghost cam" tune, you don't actually have aftermarket cams with a different LSA causing the "loping" sound. It's purely done with variables and causing the car to run very rich
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05-09-2013, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Smurf50
With a "ghost cam" tune, you don't actually have aftermarket cams with a different LSA causing the "loping" sound. It's purely done with variables and causing the car to run very rich
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Well of course they aren't "aftermarket", but it's still the camshaft's lobes making the "lope" correct? I know they dump fuel into it, as well, but it's the lobes that are making the sound?? I may be wrong, I'm curious.
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05-09-2013, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by kanetrain
Well of course they aren't "aftermarket", but it's still the camshaft's lobes making the "lope" correct? I know they dump fuel into it, as well, but it's the lobes that are making the sound?? I may be wrong, I'm curious.
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Incorrect. The sound of a car "loping" is due to the grind of the camshaft and the LSA of that camshaft. On a stock grind the idle will be smooth, such as if you remove the "ghost tune" from the car. All it's doing is tricking the car into dumping excess fuel, adjusting the timing and the lift electronically to simulate the cam lope.
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05-09-2013, 09:57 PM
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With the new 5.0 they have electronic solenoids that act with the oil pressure and a spring on the cam sprocket to adjust the Lsa. The intake and exhaust have their own separate solenoid and galleys to where each can be adjusted how ever and what ever you want, you just need the correct software that gives you access to these tables in the tune. With the factory setup the computer can advance or retard the Lsa as much as 50*!! With the ghost tune it simply advances the cam timing thus causing the lope sound. When installed "straight" up the factory cams would be some choppy mo fo's!!!
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05-09-2013, 10:12 PM
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My Bama tuner/tunes just came in on Tuesday. Been on Race tune since then and I'm satisfied so far. Much smoother power band, throttle response is great, and like stock drive ability. Cant really speak on the cam tune but I'm happy so far.
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05-09-2013, 10:45 PM
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Re: BAMA Ghost Cam Tune, GOOD OR BAD?
Originally Posted by Pepperinyoureye
My Bama tuner/tunes just came in on Tuesday. Been on Race tune since then and I'm satisfied so far. Much smoother power band, throttle response is great, and like stock drive ability. Cant really speak on the cam tune but I'm happy so far.
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I just got mine today. Happy so far, may do the dyno thing when im settled on mods for a bit. Anyone have a little longer crank time on the first initial start up after loading the tune? Im assuming because the key is on and the fuel pump is ready to go for so long when loading...
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05-10-2013, 10:13 PM
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The more I hear about the coyote motor the more it seems like a kseries motor from Honda. It to can adjust timing up to 50degrees! Man I guess we should be thanking Honda for variable valve timing in a way.
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05-10-2013, 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by re-rx7
The more I hear about the coyote motor the more it seems like a kseries motor from Honda. It to can adjust timing up to 50degrees! Man I guess we should be thanking Honda for variable valve timing in a way.
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Uh oh you just went there.
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