Cobra Jet vs. Boss IM Comparisons

[wbt]

Originally Posted by BLK2012GT There's no point of arguing with you about your car and my car on the streets. One you know everything and anything about these coyotes (ok) and two you don't street race. Prime example my car is faster then what it appears at the track, I race a person in this group and we ran the same time and mph at the track. But we did a 30 roll starting in 2nd gear in mexico and I walked him like he was standing still. It wasn't even a close race. But I expected that since I make 100 rwhp then he does. So if we did ever race on the streets I don't think your car has a chance against mine. Sorry that's my opinion so take it with a grain of salt.

I have far too much to loose getting caught street racing or killing someone else doing it. I would expect someone with a new kid to consider the consequences.

Same offer I made before, I'll line up anytime at the track.

Originally Posted by re-rx7 I think things would have went smoother had they just contributed to the conversation vs bashing and acting like king dick.

Really? Not a matter of being a dick. Jeff made a snide comment, as usual, and he got it in return.

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto Maybe to you. Maybe to other people they have already decided it is or isn't worth it just based on this. Assigning a dollar value to horsepower is on an individual and case-by-case scenario. So even when you draw your own conclusion, other people might not feel the same as you. That's fine and I respect that. But as you already stated, the CJ makes more power than the Boss. I really don't understand what the problem is here lol. -Alex

A repeat of what I posted.
http://www.dfw50s.com/showpost.php?p=48134&postcount=39

I have no issue outside of some of the comments. My whole thing is don't rely solely on dyno numbers. CAI's are a perfect example, Jeff's car is a perfect example.

Originally Posted by BLK2012GT I will say they do know what they are talking about to a point. Not everyone here drag races. And that's all they are baseing their knowledge off of. To me unless you are trying to get the most hp out if your car the CJ isn't worth the money over the boss manifold and a TB.

Explain to everyone what data you have accumulated street racing that shows the CJ intake isn't worth the extra money?

[BLK2012GT]

Originally Posted by wbt I have far too much to loose getting caught street racing or killing someone else doing it. I would expect someone with a new kid to consider the consequences. Same offer I made before, I'll line up anytime at the track. Really? Not a matter of being a dick. Jeff made a snide comment, as usual, and he got it in return. A repeat of what I posted. http://www.dfw50s.com/showpost.php?p=48134&postcount=39 I have no issue outside of some of the comments. My whole thing is don't rely solely on dyno numbers. CAI's are a perfect example, Jeff's car is a perfect example. Explain to everyone what data you have accumulated street racing that shows the CJ intake isn't worth the extra money?

You can get hurt or worst at the track to. You pick and choose your areas where you want to race on the street.

And I made a remark cause your buddy misread what I wrote and said a shitty comment.

And from what I seen from other cars there really isn't that much gain for an extra 500-1100 dollars. The price varies cause people might buy TB for the boss manifold.

And actually my car isn't a perfect example. Like I posted before I race a person in this group who ran the same time as me. But when we raced on the street I killed him by a lot of car lengths.

[blownaltered]

Originally Posted by BLK2012GT You can get hurt or worst at the track to. You pick and choose your areas where you want to race on the street. And I made a remark cause your buddy misread what I wrote and said a shitty comment. And from what I seen from other cars there really isn't that much gain for an extra 500-1100 dollars. The price varies cause people might buy TB for the boss manifold. And actually my car isn't a perfect example. Like I posted before I race a person in this group who ran the same time as me. But when we raced on the street I killed him by a lot of car lengths.

Man that wbt guy has a hard on for you for some reason. I like how he keeps comparing his auto stall car that he races every weekend and has set it up for that to you car which was just finished and has only been to the track once. That's a good comparison.

[BLK2012GT]

Originally Posted by blownaltered Man that wbt guy has a hard on for you for some reason. I like how he keeps comparing his auto stall car that he races every weekend and has set it up for that to you car which was just finished and has only been to the track once. That's a good comparison.

He sure does cause he is only quoting me now and no one else. I must be his type. LOL

[wbt]

No need for this info.

[BLK2012GT]

Originally Posted by wbt You're right. The track doesn't have EMS or safety rules to help prevent people from crashing or getting hurt. What you said was wrong and was corrected. Let's break the price difference down: CJ intake - $720 from Tousley GT500TB - $100 from Tousley Intake tube - I paid $90 for a 2010 GT intake tube from Airaid and modified it to fit my existing Airaid airbox. Total cost: $910 Boss intake - $473 from Tousley Intake tube - $167 from Autoplicity No need to replace the stock 80mm throttle body. No gains there. Total cost: $640 Difference: $270 If you have a Boss intake already and want to move to the CJ you spent quite a bit of extra money. If you are running the stock intake and haven't decided, an extra $270 over the Boss setup isn't going to break the bank. Sure it is. Puts up great dyno numbers (500+ WHP) and runs a 119MPH trap speed.

Yet I crushed a car that runs the same mph that makes less power then me. I'm pretty sure I would pick up mph if I was able to launch the car at higher rpms instead of at 3k rpms.

[Dominic Toretto]

Originally Posted by wbt I have far too much to loose getting caught street racing or killing someone else doing it. I would expect someone with a new kid to consider the consequences.

Thanks mom.

Because racing on a track is without consequences or safety hazards. I feel sorry for people that are scared too enjoy life to the point where they have to try to critique others for doing so.

-Alex

[Dominic Toretto]

Originally Posted by wbt My whole thing is don't rely solely on dyno numbers.

As long as I have been around cars, the ONLY method of determining the power output of an engine, is a dyno. What else are you using to determine power levels?

-Alex

[BLK2012GT]

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto As long as I have been around cars, the ONLY method of determining the power output of an engine, is a dyno. What else are you using to determine power levels? -Alex

The track is a good way to but to a point.

[Dominic Toretto]

Originally Posted by BLK2012GT The track is a good way to but to a point.

How will a track tell you how much power an engine generates?

-Alex

[BLK2012GT]

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto How will a track tell you how much power an engine generates? -Alex

My bad misread what you typed.

[Dominic Toretto]

Originally Posted by BLK2012GT My bad misread what you typed.

I figured you did, no worries .

-Alex

[Grandpa]

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto As long as I have been around cars, the ONLY method of determining the power output of an engine, is a dyno. What else are you using to determine power levels? -Alex

He is using the tried and true way of measuring performance by using track data. Datalogging, ET's, MPH, 0-60, shifts, temps, etc.

WBT is correct in saying that dyno results mean very little. How the car performs in it's intended envoirment is really the only proper way to determine accurate results.

Some of us old folk were doing this long before the use of dynos were the norm. I use to tune my blower cars the old fashion way with a timing light, reading plugs, fuel pressure and checking tire prints. We had no idea (nor did we care) what the car made at the tires. It was how the car performed.

Now that dynos are everywhere and technology is common place that most people don't know how to work on their cars anymore without a programmer in their hands that the dyno numbers have become more about bragging rights or measuring how a car "should" run.

It happens all the time a car makes great power on the dyno and doesn't run like it should according to what one thinks it should. Same goes for the other way, some cars dyno like ass but run like a scalded ape on the street.

It all comes down to a solid tune, a proper set up and a driver who knows how to optimize all of it to take advantage of it.

[Dominic Toretto]

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT He is using the tried and true way of measuring performance

What about measuring horsepower and torque(which is what this thread is about)?

-Alex

[blownaltered]

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto What about measuring horsepower and torque(which is what this thread is about)? -Alex

It does to an extent. If you have ever been to ffw you will see everyone of the guys running fast cars with their lab tops out after every race adjusting crap. The dyno is generally a base line but for true tuning you need to data log on the street or track and adjust from there. That's where you will get your best tune for all around performance.